EVE General Discussion

Yeah, duh. This was about possibly removing local (with a host of other null changes) for reasons entirely unrelated to botting.

On that note, I'm still torn about the idea off removing null local. Done wrong it would be massively bad, done right, it would be a little improved. I don't know if the payoff is worth the risk when advocating it.

If the false data is displayed, there would certainly be an instantly recognizable way for a human to tell that it's false. Most likely that would manifest itself as a certain name or coloration in order to prevent abuse. The bot would likely be able to notice that flag, either through reading the code or combining injection and OCR.

Most bots use OCR which would be exactly as easily fooled as the average human player (which should hopefully be not at all since we don't want to alienate people).

Bots will be exactly as complex as they need to be. Look up some of the steps glider took as Warden grew in complexity.



EDIT: I really don't think there's any evidence whatsoever that any given nationality is more or less likely to bot.

Well you seem to have all the answers and you make it sound like the only way to fix the issue is to change the game i a way that effects the normal player, and that's a decision only CCP can make.

Answer: Money

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Sorry for not sticking to the botting problematic, but since you've said the following:



Not wrong, but there are quite a few space trading/combat games that predate Freelancer by far, although none of them could be played online. They all had markets and sec status and some form of standings: People older than 30 will remember ELITE, a game in which you died more often when attempting to dock than from being shot (for childhood flashbacks watch ELITE gaming sequence). And most will remember Privateer as well, out of the Wing Commander franchise, a game that had a damage model (What a thought! Ships that get destroyed subsystem by subsystem, could you believe it!).

There's probably a ton of other games that people would like to point out here as well, but in any case, Freelancer certainly was not the only, or even primary, inspiration for EVE Online. Hell, ELITE even had slaves as cargo, if I remember correctly. EVE's mission system so much reminds me of Privateer, etc etc.

I assume, then, that you're a first-year (at least) CompSci student, and are willing to instruct a group of professional programmers with nearly a decade of experience on how to do this? Even if they won't take your advice, please do enlighten us proles, for the sake of knowledge.

One way to annoy RMT botters is to carry out DDOS attacks on their websites and disrupt their services. I would like to see them effectively counter that.

Yeah .. it is an arms race after all.

not sure how this would apply with eve client.. but as far as I understand ... If I had EVE and wanted to protect it against bots, I would do something like this.

- have a small team 2-3 people to work on it.
- monitor the main bot programs to understand how they work .. what eve client functions they hook into etc....

let's assume that the bots hooks into a theoretical (I have no clue how this is actually implemented however) ' cLocal->getList method'
add a secondary clone function cLocal->getList2 and make the client use only this. Leave the main method there fully functional with an added call to CCP to log the account. Release patch. Wait for 1 month. Ban the accounts and all the related accounts.

revert the changes. (because having methods named getList2342 is bad code :P)

in first stage you'll only get the lazy people. that don't bother to check for new bot updates regularly.

If not enough paranoia ensues after this ...
Make a stealth patcher dedicated for this issue that patches your client on the run. o/

Massive paranoia ensues.

Will not remove botters, jsut force them to adapt.