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My incursion experience
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ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#1 - 2012-02-05 21:08:24 UTC  |  Edited by: ACESsiggy
Spam 4 or 5 channels of my fit for over an hour to no avail Smile

Mega LFAF VG

High Slots: Model Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I x7
Large 'Regard' Power Projector x1

Med slots: F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines x2
Optical Tracking Computer I x2

Low: Magnetic Field Stabilizer II x3
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I x1
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II x2
Damage Control II x1

Rigs: Large Anti-Explosive Pump I x1
Large Trimark Armor Pump I x2

And some drones.


How long on average should a player spam to get into a group?

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”
Tesoni Daven
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2012-02-05 21:20:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tesoni Daven
This is gonna sound realy ******, but hear me out.

The problem is that there are SOOOO many shiny ships (T3 cruisers, marauders, faction Battleships) looking for incursion fleets, most of whom have full T2 fits including weapons, and usualy at least a few faction mods, that for a tier one battleship still using mostly Meta 4 equipment to get into one would take an act of god.

Now, you probably COULD get into one of the larger fleets, an HQ or Mom site, but those rarely form up.

Thats not to say you CAN'T possibly get into an incursion fleet, but it is gonna be very very hard. Back when I was running them in a Maelstrom, Machariels and Nightmares and such were much fewer around, now with the amount of Isk incursion pilots are throwing around pretty much ******* everyone has one.

My advice? Get into a corp, keep skilling for T2 weapons, once you get them your odds of fleeting for incursions about quadrupels. Maybe practice mission running, or fly something smaller, like a BC, and get into exploration for a bit. See if you can't upgrade to a Navy Mega.

A Navy mega with T2 guns has about 100000x the chances of getting into a fleet than a standard mega with Meta 4 guns.


During prime time with a good ship you can get typicaly get into an incursion fleet within 30 seconds to 5 minutes. It varries, based mainly around how many Logis are currently running sites. (It seems as though the DPS:Logi ratios are a bit better for Armour fleets, but they tend to have FEWER fleets total, so it balences out pretty well.)
ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#3 - 2012-02-05 22:11:53 UTC
Tesoni Daven wrote:
My advice? Get into a corp, keep skilling for T2 weapons, once you get them your odds of fleeting for incursions about quadrupels. Maybe practice mission running, or fly something smaller, like a BC, and get into exploration for a bit. See if you can't upgrade to a Navy Mega.


I do have t2 rails but not blasters. Played this game for on and off for a year running missions and thats about it. I try something new and it looks like I need to continue waiting for skills and EVE wonders why players don't hang on to this game (no pun intended). Tried doing exploration but same thing.. what ship are you flying lol

On the bright side, I feel im in a good corp with various events to do each week Smile

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”
Amthala
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-02-05 22:40:42 UTC
Only way youre getting into a fleet with that ship and fit is if youre in an incursion corp...
Tesoni Daven
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2012-02-05 22:44:02 UTC
I flew a machariel(until it got blown up), now I mostly fly a legion.

If you already have T2 rails you should be able to get Blasters pretty quick no? You already have Large hybrids V which is most of the timesink. Maybe, what, 7-15 days or so for the Rail small/med specs?

It's worth it. As is buying a Navy mega. In incursions your odds of losing it are pretty slim, and the isk you make will pay for it within a week or so if you run lots of sites.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#6 - 2012-02-06 00:21:27 UTC
Average players don't get into Incursions. Train t2 guns. If you still can't get in, go buy faction pirate ships or t3 and then you'll get in. Don't be average.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#7 - 2012-02-06 01:57:30 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
Average players don't get into Incursions. Train t2 guns. If you still can't get in, go buy faction pirate ships or t3 and then you'll get in. Don't be average.


"average player" lol kinda stumped on this one. How do you define average when skill is based on TIME.? Blink

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#8 - 2012-02-06 02:25:24 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
Average players don't get into Incursions. Train t2 guns. If you still can't get in, go buy faction pirate ships or t3 and then you'll get in. Don't be average.


"average player" lol kinda stumped on this one. How do you define average when skill is based on TIME.? Blink


You can go from 0 to incursion ready NM in about 4 months. 6 to usefully max it out. NM is a little special since it's mostly used with faction Tachs rather than requiring T2.

Incursions are high end content driven by a competition mechanic that punishes the weaker (less applied DPS) fleet very harshly.

If you're looking to get into incursions with a so-so ship you either need to join an established social group, run them where other people don't, or FC the fleet.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Purehydro
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-02-06 08:22:18 UTC
If you have T2 rails getting a sniper BS and immediately join an Assault fleet or FC one. Just learn how to tag and it solves itself. You may need Leadership 5 and Wing Commander 3 for the whingers, but normally there is someone with an alt that has those skills for you.

Sniper BS is the hardest thing to get but is mandatory for any Assault or HQ site.

VGs are so broken that unless you can do LS incursions, you're just hosed for the starter character. T3, Mach, NM, logi or gtfo now.Roll
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2012-02-06 10:06:22 UTC
T2 turrets and faction mods didn't help a bit, tried for hours during two days with this fit
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[Megathron, Megathron INC]

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction

F-12 Nonlinear Tracking Processor
F-12 Nonlinear Tracking Processor
F-12 Nonlinear Tracking Processor
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5


There was nothing social or "community feeling", just a bunch of desperate strangers spamming their fits in a chat channel. Total waste of time, won't try again.

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CausticS0da
Shrubbery Acquisitions
Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance
#11 - 2012-02-06 10:24:52 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
Average players don't get into Incursions. Train t2 guns. If you still can't get in, go buy faction pirate ships or t3 and then you'll get in. Don't be average.


"average player" lol kinda stumped on this one. How do you define average when skill is based on TIME.? Blink


You obviously handled your choice of skill training in an 'average' way or you'd be able to fly something attractive for incursion fleets after a year of play.

There are things other than incursions btw.
Tyslas
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-02-06 11:32:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyslas
Vanguards are for the shiny fleets. Why would an FC pick up your t1 hull and t1 guns when there's a pirate battleship doing twice the dps. If you want to get into a armour VG fleet you should be flying a legion. As someone said, you'll have better luck running assaults and hq sites. Not sure how often thers armor fleets up, but there's several channels based on shield assault and hq only fleets.

If you already have t2 rails, then cross over into a Sniper Rokh and you'll have no issue getting into fleets. If you want to fly Gallente you need to get into a Vindicator for VGs.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2012-02-06 11:45:32 UTC
These answers speak the truth about Incursions - they are not a way for new players to get together, make some ISK and learn pvp-style mechanics, but an elitist club for the already wealthy high-SP players.

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Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
#14 - 2012-02-06 12:03:59 UTC
Roime wrote:
T2 turrets and faction mods didn't help a bit, tried for hours during two days with this fit

That's because you put faction in the wrong place: get fed navy mag stabs and at least one fed navy web.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#15 - 2012-02-06 12:10:36 UTC
Sam Bowein wrote:
Roime wrote:
T2 turrets and faction mods didn't help a bit, tried for hours during two days with this fit

That's because you put faction in the wrong place: get fed navy mag stabs and at least one fed navy web.


This. Repeat after me, Class. Tank Earns no ISK.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2012-02-06 12:35:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Roime
Sam Bowein wrote:
Roime wrote:
T2 turrets and faction mods didn't help a bit, tried for hours during two days with this fit

That's because you put faction in the wrong place: get fed navy mag stabs and at least one fed navy web.


Thanks, makes sense.

Of course someone could have mentioned this when rejecting the ship.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#17 - 2012-02-06 12:38:14 UTC
Roime wrote:
Sam Bowein wrote:
Roime wrote:
T2 turrets and faction mods didn't help a bit, tried for hours during two days with this fit

That's because you put faction in the wrong place: get fed navy mag stabs and at least one fed navy web.


Thanks, makes sense.

Of course someone could have mentioned this when rejecting the ship.


Why is it some random stranger's job to give you unsolicited advice to help you compete with them?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2012-02-06 12:47:03 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:


Why is it some random stranger's job to give you unsolicited advice to help you compete with them?


Oh yes, the incursion bear **** attitude <3

It's not anyones job, it's the social aspect and sense of community.

If I was an FC looking to build a fleet I'd tell that Roime guy to slap on some navy magstabs and a faction web asap, instead of mutely spamming the "AF forming up, need more DPS" like a bot.

ffs even Dodixie local is more friendly

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#19 - 2012-02-06 13:10:56 UTC
Roime wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


Why is it some random stranger's job to give you unsolicited advice to help you compete with them?


Oh yes, the incursion bear **** attitude <3

It's not anyones job, it's the social aspect and sense of community.

If I was an FC looking to build a fleet I'd tell that Roime guy to slap on some navy magstabs and a faction web asap, instead of mutely spamming the "AF forming up, need more DPS" like a bot.

ffs even Dodixie local is more friendly



I haven't done an incursion in months.

1) Any advice recieved when you just post your fit would be unsolicited (which nobody gets to expect to receive ever)
2) Say you own a Coffeeshop; If someone were to come in and say "Hey, I'm opening a Coffee shop across the way, what's your secret for your incredible coffee?" Do you a) Help them put you out of business, or b) tell them to screw off?
3) What sense of community is there in a scrub group of random pick-me-up alts in it for the ISK?
4) If I were an FC, I'd be too busy looking at people's fits, checking them against blacklists, making sure the fleet's still going (when I did incursions I ran 11man fleets to allow us to keep going while looking for a replacement), etc, etc. THe FC doesn't have time to hold your hand like you want.

Finally, there's your attitude. We give you solid, helpful advice and you moan that it's not in the right tone. Or that you had to actually ask a question to recieve an answer.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2012-02-06 13:22:50 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:


I haven't done an incursion in months.

1) Any advice recieved when you just post your fit would be unsolicited (which nobody gets to expect to receive ever)
2) Say you own a Coffeeshop; If someone were to come in and say "Hey, I'm opening a Coffee shop across the way, what's your secret for your incredible coffee?" Do you a) Help them put you out of business, or b) tell them to screw off?
3) What sense of community is there in a scrub group of random pick-me-up alts in it for the ISK?
4) If I were an FC, I'd be too busy looking at people's fits, checking them against blacklists, making sure the fleet's still going (when I did incursions I ran 11man fleets to allow us to keep going while looking for a replacement), etc, etc. THe FC doesn't have time to hold your hand like you want.

Finally, there's your attitude. We give you solid, helpful advice and you moan that it's not in the right tone. Or that you had to actually ask a question to recieve an answer.


1) what is wrong with unsolicited advice?
2) I thought the navy magstabs and webs actually benefited the fleet, but guess not then
3) Nothing, that was my point, but Vanguard bears use it as an argument in their anti-nerf agenda
4) fair enough, but the FCs still had the time to wait for half an hour and keep spamming their ad for more dps


I don't moan anything, you just act like a prick and try defend that :D

I asked for comments on the fit many times.

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