Ships & Modules

I often pop onto eve-kill and browse the interesting kills and battle reports etc. Now, I know that Crucible was accompanied by a buff to Hybrid platforms, Blasters/Rails and most recently T2 ammo but there is still not a single Gallente hull in the Top 20.

See: Top 20

Pre-crucible this didn't suprise me but I did expect things to change. Of course there are a number of factors that could be contributing to this. These include:
Not enough time has passed yet, and the major alliances are still using traditional tactics and ships.
Players are skilled into Minnie/Caldari/Amarr and subsequently have continued to use hulls from these races.

I've not played eve much recently so I'm merely speculating from statistics (and am wary of doing this!). Those that are PVP'ing, what do you think?

Amazingly (gasp) everyone did not immediately dump their ships and move to Gallente?

As you said in your OP, it was a "hybrid" buff. Yes some Gallente hulls were buffed as well.

It will take time I imagine for people to change. Standards like the drake and cane are likely to remain popular.

And looking at your stats, hybrid weapons comprise 4 of the top 20 weapon slots. Maybe not on Gallente hulls, but they are hybrid weapons.

Most of the Ships you see on that list are Blob Ships.

Drake
Maelstrom
Tengu
Artillery Cane
Whelp Nado
Abbadon
RailRokh
Naga
Zealot
Oracle
Hound
Manticore

The List is calculated by shoot a ship get on the killmail earn a point on the list. One ship killed by 40 Rail Naga's = +40 Nado Kills while the same 1 Ship Killed by 2 Talos = +2 Talos Kills.

Missiles, Projectiles and Laser have much more range and are preferred for gangs above a certain size because no matter where they are in relation to the primary they are much more likely to put DPS on it remotely as soon as it is called.

So while it is common to see Talos and Brutix Roaming around and Megathrons running DPS for small Camps the fleet ships get so much more recognition on the list. Even Ships like the Vega and Cynabal see them selves in good sized wolf packs hunting do to avoidance and range while ships like the Scimitar and Rapier run around with big fleets and small gangs.

As long as Armor vs Shields is boinked for small gang warfare (Talos, Cane and Brutix are flown Shield more then their designed Armor) you will see this list steadily nuzzled in the area of Shield Range with some Armor Scorch in the Bigger Ships and Sig Tankers.

The good news is Gallente are good for small gang warfare now.

It might have something to do with holding/taking space and moons rather than just kill board efficiency. It's about crushing your opponents and unified fleet doctrines achieve this. I get your point but you've overemphasized it.

If you want small gang pvp then by all means put together a fleet using diverse ships. Gallante ships are viable for this type of pvp as you say.

Why should all ships be equal across all uses? We can all fly all races of ships anyway.

Lol

Yup, 32 ships managed to get on my poor Dramiel km this weekend. I was.impressed.

It's clearly not "isk efficiency" when half of nullsec is flying around massed Tengu fleets that still die to a relative handful of stealth bombers.

Also: it's really, really unfun to lose fights you should of won because the guys on your side show up flying bullshit (yes, I'm looking at you mr. myrm in the drake gang).

Let me comment this part of the post: hybrids rebalance is not done, all it's done is some fittings boost, ammo boost (T2 short range could use some more) with made small blasters and rails completely overpowered in raw numbers knowing those were already fine before these changes and all that was needed was some ships bonus tweaks, CCP as usual didn't listen or read correctly what we wrote (I admit I'm not English native and so some might not understand me, it's ok but I still don't speak Danish)

Top20: actually major wars/conflicts alliances have fleet doctrines some will be Drakes everywhere, others abbadons pulse others abbadons arty others abbadons+drakes others all maelstroms or all Tengus others drakes/canes/maestroms etc etc. So you'll not see that much other thing but the real problem there is not the choice made by those alliances but the why they did it: cost vs effectiveness
And in that single point while amarr has some good ships that can fit in and do the job Gallente has nothing but lachesis, arazus, nemesis. At another level, the capital one, you'll see Nyx/thanatos everywhere, erebus are a MUST have. But at sub capital level, except for ceptors/assault frigs now that they got really boosted gallente has nothing to offer (yet)



You'd be surprised to see how many of those null sec pilots are mainly gallente trained. Last time I've checked in some 150 BC fleet over 50% had at least gallente BS4 and at least med blasters/rails T2 and still use those skills but only for rating, eventually some gang pvp but all admit with less success than other races.

C'mon have you tried to engage some gang of frigs with thoraxes/brutixes/myrmidons? -a properly fitted autos cane will never miss those and will 2 shot them at worst and at 20km at least, a 720cane will pop one every 8seconds, a Drake will stand still and kill them one by one if they don't have support.
And what are you supposed to do with your gallente stuff? shoot frigs that can hit you from far distances than your blasters can hit/track or your rails can track? -on the same record in this particular case amarr might have same issues but I don't know that much about amarr yet

These are not whines but situations I see everyday but doesn't mean you can't succeed. You'll figure out the good Gallente pilots are all older pilots with perfect support skills (fittings/gunnery/navigation) and mainly fly in small gangs or the "hit'n run" tactic witch means you've chosen specific targets and nothing else because you know you will die.
Of course some are real good pilots no doubt about that but Gallente is still and obviously not young pilots friendly, not average skilled pilot friendly and not friendly at all under 30/35M sp (not all perfect training from the begining but the regular player that learned with time)

Now lets see:

Tengu with decent support skills: 45D = lvl4's and pvp if you have your own tech moon

Drake with decent skills about 45D = lvl 4's and pvp

Hurricane with decent skills about 45D = lvl4's and pvp

Myrmidon with decent skills is almost double training time the above ones (yeah drones are awesome if you have t2's)
Brutix: forget last room lvl3 Angels extravaganza unless you have perfect skills in everything and pimped fit, same for Myrm.

How is Scimitar, a logistics ship, at No.8 out of 20?

Fit a Lachesis with a Photon Scat. / point and scram, heavy launchers and whatever size medium rails you have PG for.

(Almost) tanks like a Drake, awesome tackle.

Here's a fit.

http://www.manson-family.com/index.php/kill_detail/191904/

Do it!!!

Then send me ISKies