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[Proposal] Make Ninja Salvaging a Criminal Action
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Tyr Aeron
L0pht Systems
#41 - 2012-02-06 07:58:45 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
As per my longstanding position in these matters, I support this proposal. Missioners should not be restricted to watching mission looters go red flashy and then being too afraid to shoot them when they could also so easily be able to watch ninja savlagers go red flashy and ignore them too


^This.

I have a Pilgrim gathering dust in the hanger because no one will engage when it goes disco. I've gone so far as to loot and salvage entire missions as the ships are being shot in a noctis and STILL can't get anyone to take a shot at me.

How about we make the act of targeting someone a hostile act, which it is, and therefore an actionable offense. Of course it would be a field day until bears learn to set auto target-back to 0.
Tekashi Kovacs
Golfclap Inc
#42 - 2012-02-06 14:18:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tekashi Kovacs
Actually this could be solved easily: if you are still on grid wrecks are yours, when you fly away they become free-for-all.

Then if you wanted to salvage in mass scale (aka Noctis) you need to take risk of losing your wrecks, in case you want to be safe you can do slow-ass salvaging in marauder, without anyone spitting on your face.

An perfect example of risk vs reward imo.

edit: ops ninja edit ^^
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-02-06 14:24:02 UTC
It could be solved even easier than that. You wanna salvage "your" wrecks? Put a salvager on your ship and do it while you kill more rats. That or get an alt. Either way...no more need for threads like this one since it has already had a final say from the Devs on it.

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Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-02-06 14:51:37 UTC
I dont think it should even count as stealing if they take loot from a wreck tbh, doesnt make sense. Just because you blew up an npc it doesnt make its wreck yours. In pvp the wreck and its content still belongs to the owner of the original ship, if anythign you are stealing form the npc you exploded.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Tenobia Aybara
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-02-06 20:10:01 UTC
Looting a wreck SHOULD be an offence to prevent people taking high level drops without possible repercussions.

However, ninja salvaging is good in my books, it is a way of baiting people that you shouldn't react to, like bumping in mining belts etc.

Don't like people ninja'ing you? (you are in hi-sec otherwise you would just pop them)
then fit your ship to salvage as you go. Too far out? switch to blasters/pulse/autocannon
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#46 - 2012-02-07 09:26:09 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Xero Shifter wrote:
Currently salvaging someone else's wreck doesn't trigger an aggression timer unless you also loot it. I'd like this changed,



Do you even know what the word Salvage means??? Have you even bothered to look at the thousands of posts about this. I suggest you do a little research before posting here and making yourself look like a complete moron.


Oh, and I'll just leave these here:

by GM Ytterbium:

"Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will, no matter if they belong to the same corporation or not and doing so is not considered as an exploit."



by CCP Mitnal

"Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."



by CCP Prism X

"Sadly, I've already explained the whole shebang a couple of times already and have heard no discussions as to changing the ownership of salvage. Things are working as they were designed and I do believe we're quite happy about what the introduction of salvaging has done for us."



by GM Faolchu

"This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.

"Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up."



by CCP Prism X

"If you're surprised as to why the server does not consider it your stuff, it's because it's a mini profession designed for people who want to roam and look for salvage, not to further increase the revenue from mission grinding.. I doubt anyone with a perspective thinks we need to high-sec increase mission grinding any further.


"EVE is a really hostile game. We love how hostile it is.. we never meant for it to be a breeze."


Different thread same tired old "salvage is mine hands off" refrain expertly blown out of the water.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
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