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"I'm sorry, but you're a threat." The new players lament.
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Humidor Cigarillo
#41 - 2012-02-05 20:12:59 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
ElQuirko wrote:
Frankly my dear, industrial pilots make the best PVPers because they will follow an experienced combat pilot's orders without question. The only problem is telling them what to do exactly.

Being told when to jump or push F1`-F8 does not teach you how to look after yourself or how to move about a grid... know when you personally need to get out or call for reps appropriately or generally make any one of a thousand personal judgement calls that the FC shouldn't have to be telling you, or any other basic combat awareness.


I too, love fleet align.
Xorth Adimus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-02-05 20:26:01 UTC
Humidor Cigarillo wrote:
Some guy who flys drakes/tengus gets trolled by -A-.

Not sure if serious or just ironic.


I am glad to brighten your day..

Post was serious regardless, not everyone in EVE or indeed -A- is what you perceive.

Drakes and Tengus are fine in the right hands yes -a- use them as does everyone today.. for certain targets.. I prefer recons / dictors they are always needed and can be fitted in a range of ways..

In reality you are going to want a good range of ships under your belt if you are serious in the long term.

Having the SPs knowledge and skills to fly these and a wide range of other ships properly plus good kills and (importantly) a few good losses to support this is what separates the wheat from the chaff.

Getting there takes time and dedication, good friends help. Good hunting!
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#43 - 2012-02-05 21:08:41 UTC
And expecting new players to spread their training across a wide variety of ships is dumb. At present the Drake is the lowest common denominator allowing effectiveness in a variety of roles. Experience comes in time and is unrealistic to expect a noob to have it in buckets. Willingness is far more important and if you are going to defend high efficiency as important then you are simply bad.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#44 - 2012-02-05 21:28:59 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
BTW, genuinely good PvP corps won't worry overmuch about the pure K:D ratio.

Heh, let me tell you about the K:D ratio of newbies in the wild wild west of nullsec.

Since drakes started being a thing again, soon newbies will darken the sun (no more 1v1 duels at the sun anymore) with our newbie folded cardboard missile spammer spaceships!

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Aineko Macx
#45 - 2012-02-05 21:37:59 UTC
@OP:
You're certainly not the only player in such a position. Try to get together with other new-ish but ambitious players and go pewing. You'll learn a lot doing that, improve your KB and have some fun while at it.

No alliance/corp is perfect. Even if you manage to join an ~elite~ pvp alliance you'll likely find that it isn't exactly what you were looking for.

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#46 - 2012-02-05 21:44:15 UTC
Actually OP, if you are genuinely interested in PVP there are a couple of players that have shown interest in nurturing truly new players in the way of PVP. I don't know if they are interested in getting people into their corps but check out both Garmon and Kil2 and see if they can help you.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#47 - 2012-02-05 21:48:50 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
BTW, genuinely good PvP corps won't worry overmuch about the pure K:D ratio.

Heh, let me tell you about the K:D ratio of newbies in the wild wild west of nullsec.

Since drakes started being a thing again, soon newbies will darken the sun (no more 1v1 duels at the sun anymore) with our newbie folded cardboard missile spammer spaceships!


I have always genuinely admired goons indifference to statistical irrelevences like K:D in favour of achieving the end result. In all seriousness, more alliances should emulate you in this respect.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ningishzida
Proxima Fleet Systems
#48 - 2012-02-05 22:06:03 UTC
Letzlin Schaneger wrote:


On a side note, if you do fly in a competent corporation that needs more competent, self sufficient Logistics/ECM/Tengu/Drake pilots do let me know.


Come talk to us in our channel: ***CTRL-Q***
Stella SGP
#49 - 2012-02-05 22:22:00 UTC
Can-baiting in Jita all day makes you an ELITE Pvper!
Nor Tzestu
Dos Pollos Hermanos
Ghosts from the Abyss
#50 - 2012-02-05 22:30:51 UTC
Man. Just join rvb. Get some kills..not hard. Fight solo. Even losses are cool solo. Pad you kb for the elite faggotry that has invaded this game then jump when your ready. Yeah and be able to t2 fit a cane.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-02-05 22:39:46 UTC
Letzlin Schaneger wrote:
Humidor Cigarillo wrote:
Of course I assume there that you won't be capable of simply flying a tengu into fights all the time. If you can actually afford to do that, you might just be !elitepvp material.


Well, I did just play the markets and do incursions for the past 5 months. Let's just say I am comfortable.

If it is the case that those sorts of ships aren't frequently used by good small gangs, what should I look at training in to?

CausticS0da wrote:
What's all this about 20% tax and locked assets?


If you space gets conquered or if your overlords decide they don't like you any more, that's it, you are locked out of your station and can't access your assets. And in order to pay the rent for the system some of the renter corps I have spoken to have operated a 15-20% tax.



OVERLORDS

MEATGRINDERS

sounds like you basically have no idea what you're talking about and read too much eve-o

~hi~
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
#52 - 2012-02-05 22:47:58 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Letzlin Schaneger wrote:
Humidor Cigarillo wrote:
Of course I assume there that you won't be capable of simply flying a tengu into fights all the time. If you can actually afford to do that, you might just be !elitepvp material.


Well, I did just play the markets and do incursions for the past 5 months. Let's just say I am comfortable.

If it is the case that those sorts of ships aren't frequently used by good small gangs, what should I look at training in to?

CausticS0da wrote:
What's all this about 20% tax and locked assets?


If you space gets conquered or if your overlords decide they don't like you any more, that's it, you are locked out of your station and can't access your assets. And in order to pay the rent for the system some of the renter corps I have spoken to have operated a 15-20% tax.



OVERLORDS

MEATGRINDERS

sounds like you basically have no idea what you're talking about and read too much eve-o


Guess you'll be asking him soon for a 500m 'security deposit' as well as his full API to teach him pvp

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#53 - 2012-02-05 23:01:09 UTC
If you want to join almost any PvP corp my advice is this: Go find their "home" system in 0.0, and start killing them. Be audacious. Go ahead and take a BC against a couple of their HACs. If you kill even one it's a win. Get into an AF and raise terror hitting miner and logistics elements of their alliance. If you are a thorn in their side enough your name will get out there (via their intel channel!). At some point they will probably start talking to you. That's an opportunity to join. When I lived in Fountain my corp knew all the local pirates and gankers... some of them ended up joining, others did not but I like to think we are still friends. Take a step back... not many out there want to hold your hand. ...but everyone could use a crazy pilot who has no fear. Just my 2 isk...

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Valei Khurelem
#54 - 2012-02-05 23:02:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
Speaking from personal experience, when I tried to set up a casual corporation I had some stupid **** come along and say he'd let me and my corp fly in their space for 16% tax, why the hell should high sec players play by your rules? Especially when they are stupid and don't benefit anyone but yourselves, not only that they are born from an extreme paranoia where everyone except you is considered an enemy or a noob that's going to get you killed one day.

Sorry folks, I didn't get his name because I was busy in recruitment chat and in a mining op at the same time so you don't get to point and laugh at him unfortunately.

Asking new players to take part in 0.0 space is one thing, but it's amazing people actually seem genuinely confused and mystified as to why they get so much hate when they have to put up with so much bullshit in order to do it.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
SkiD-MaRk
Wambulance
#55 - 2012-02-05 23:04:08 UTC
With the over abundance of these bad newbie experience posts. Goons, and Test are starting a propaganda mission. And will soon be opening up recruitement to a ton of newbs.

I hope. and if so. well played. <3
Honnete Du Decimer
#56 - 2012-02-05 23:20:06 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
...sounds like you basically have no idea what you're talking about and read too much eve-o


Prayer be! He speaking! I am believe many other no believe but I am believe!

PMS [:p]
Dark Drifter
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#57 - 2012-02-06 00:07:54 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Letzlin Schaneger wrote:
Humidor Cigarillo wrote:
Of course I assume there that you won't be capable of simply flying a tengu into fights all the time. If you can actually afford to do that, you might just be !elitepvp material.


Well, I did just play the markets and do incursions for the past 5 months. Let's just say I am comfortable.

If it is the case that those sorts of ships aren't frequently used by good small gangs, what should I look at training in to?

CausticS0da wrote:
What's all this about 20% tax and locked assets?


If you space gets conquered or if your overlords decide they don't like you any more, that's it, you are locked out of your station and can't access your assets. And in order to pay the rent for the system some of the renter corps I have spoken to have operated a 15-20% tax.



OVERLORDS

MEATGRINDERS

sounds like you basically have no idea what you're talking about and read too much eve-o


look mittani. to be brutally honest the OP has stated a 100% true fact.
"overlords" do decide to kull their "pets", and all the time these "pets" are paying you, the "overlord" to not whimsically drop 300 super-caps on to them just because you are board, or have decided that you want the system back now that they have ground it up for you....

this kinda stuff happens all the time.

i will agree with others in this thread that yes PVP elitism is a bad thing for eve. but when that 0.0 alliance sez yes we are leet pvp all i have to do to guage their legitimacy is check their KBs and lol at the 300 ships it took to kill that one T3 or ratting BS. . .

TO THE OP:

if you are looking to join a corp that is genuine then look for people who don't do the following:

heavily smack in local
boast about the faction fitted T3 they killed
any SOV block that tells you how you must play the game
on that note any person who tells you that you are playing eve wrong should be steered clear of.
any corp that tells you that you must participate.

basically what im getting at here is don't join because we tell you that ist a good one to join, find a grupe that suits you as a player not the other way around.

my only suggestions, if you are relay looking to pad your KB, is:

RVB
E-UNI

they will see you true and yes you will get the experiance from them that is needed for maintaining your place in eve
nate555
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-02-06 00:38:53 UTC
Well dude what I can tell is go out by yourself in something cheap, cruiser or frig. Try and get some fights . If you lose good, it takes losses to become good. That's how I started out. Now I know lots about ships and their abilitys. Skill training won't get you kills, experiance will.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2012-02-06 00:58:32 UTC
meh,

finding a good corp takes effort, just keep looking. killboards don't mean anything.

Really, for some people, their in-game incomes support them losing billions of isk per month, without batting an eyelash, and so they're more likely to take risks and have fun, which could mean a poor efficiency rating on the killboards.

alternatively, you may have a person that enjoys being "bait", and could generate lots of personal losses, while bringing many kills to the corp.

the possibilities are endless.

numbers are numbers, and while they have their uses, they are not the be-all end all.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries
#60 - 2012-02-06 01:23:59 UTC
Assuming your posting with the character your complaining about, part of your problem is likely not having history at all. No "elite" pvp group will take someone with no kb history whatsoever, and most other groups will be pretty hesitant if they can not learn at least something about a player they are considering taking.

My recommendation is to join a nullsec alliance. You'll get some good experience, and most also do small gang pvp in addition to their sov warfare blob fests. Then down the road you can decide where you want to go from there, but at least its a start. Alternately, go move somewhere you like in low or npc nullsec, pvp, meet the residents, and before long you'll have a chance to join them.

Any decent corp does care about your killboard to a point. Not always the statistics, but rather to ensure that your not fail fitting your ships, or doing anything outrageously stupid.