Ships & Modules

Well , i got a CNR also and i do use t2 cruises .

The way i see it , and use ( ofc i could be wrong so i am opened to be corrected ) t2 furry's are for long range , doesn't matter bs bc frig with the ammount of dmg even a frig dies if he's mwd to u , and precision are for close range combat including if the target is a bs , u willl do more dmg to it in close range then with fury .

So far it works very well for me and i use a fit something like , 4 t2 bcu 1 sensor booster 2 shield amps 3 hardners a pithi c-type large shield booster 2 rigor's and 1 ccc .


Due to some skil lacking i don't always manage to tank without warpin away but its rare that i do so , if u do it like me and it doesn't work for u , u can always check battle clinic for some top rated fits .

Let me correct you real quick. You are somewhat right, but there is a minor detail you are missing.

That is explosion radius.

The explosion radius on precisions are smaller Expl Radius of 270m which means it will hit smaller targets much better. Their flight time is shorter meaning they wont reach out as far, so yes for short range.

Compared to high damage missiles with an Expl Radius of 550m

However, to offset this, precision cruise missiles have significantly lower base damage - the end result being nowhere near worth using compared to vanilla T1 missiles.

Standard cruise missiles do just fine vs cruisers if you have a good setup and skills, and drones chew up anything smaller. Hell, you probably use more ISK in missiles than the target frigate is even worth.

I would recommend staying with CN launchers and T1/faction ammo. Faction launchers have a faster ROF along with holding more missiles( less down time reloading), In my case the T1/faction ammo hits small ships just fine, I dont need drones but they speed up the mission while working on the large ships.

What I value is number of volleys to kill a ship, in this respect I find CN launchers help me to finish missions faster despite the higher eft dps numbers of Fury cruise ammo. It takes Fury ammo roughly the same amount of volleys or one volley less in some cases to kill BS/BC as does T1/faction ammo. Cruiser sized ships and below Fury cruise suffers badly.

You can make T2 fury cruise ammo work but you would be better off not using them. You could load up on target painters but a paper thin tank will result on that CNR along with having to juggle three target painters, or just reload regular/faction ammo several times a mission for killing the small stuff. Or just use fury cruise all the time, you will kill just fine, but it will be a bit slower.

For missions the only place where cruise T2 Fury ammo works is with the Golem. If you are flying a Golem, your going to use torps for the massive dps that can actually be applied to the target. IMO T2 cruise fury ammo with its absolutely horribad explosion radius makes it mostly useless for mission running.

Cruise missiles are awful, awful weapons. Stick to heavy missiles.

Thanks for the answers everyone. I guess Precisions are well out then.

The fit I'm considering has two TPs and a ROF rig - I'll see how that goes in about a week's time.

Thanks again.

A CNR with T2 cruise launchers easily outdamages a Tengu when shooting BCs/BS. It pulls away even further when it's shooting rats that aren't kinetic-weak. Good luck outpacing a CNR with a Tengu when clearing Sansha Blockade or Pirate Invasion.

The Tengu gains because it physically moves faster, which is important for missions like Worlds Collide and Unauthorized Military Presence, and also in missions with lots of small/med rats like Massive Attack.

Is that extra paper DPS worth it compared to 3 Rigors that don't penalize each other boosting your accuracy?

Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh. Volley damage doesn't mean a lot if most of your damage isn't hitting the target. There are two main factors that determine how much damage missiles do, target sig size and target speed. Basically, if the missile explosion is bigger than the ship or if the ship can out-run the explosion, the missile does less than 100% damage. The formulas are: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=901280

So...
A cruiser has around a ~200m sig size. A Fury missile with all skills at V has an explosion radius of 412.5. 200/412.5 = 48.5% of your damage hits the target. If you slap on three Rigor Is, the Fury explosion radius drops to 253m. 200/253 = 79% of your damage hits the target. Add in a 30% TP to increase the target's siz size and that becomes (200 * 1.3) / 253 or 260/253 = 103%, which is capped at 100% missile damage.

The target's speed will also reduce the damage that missiles do. It's a bit more complicated to compute, so I'm not going to give an example. However, the target's sig size does affect this calculation, so Rigors and TPs will make a difference on fast ships.

In your case, if you're going to use two TPs, then go with 2xRigor and 1xFlare rigs.

Finally, Fury does more raw damage than T1 or CN ammo. Switching between Fury and T1 ammo takes time which lowers your DPS, so anything you can do to make Fury work on cruisers is a good idea. Generally speaking, use Fury on BS, BC, and non-elite cruisers in missions *if* you fit rigor/flare/TPs.

I used:
- Fury vs BC, BS, and Destroyers (maybe some cruisers? Mordus and Guris I think?)
- Faction against Cruisers, Frigs, and angels
- Drones against frigs, then cruisers
- Tengus for really short missions or when I was wanting to be really lazy.

Try not to switch ammo too often or you're gonna hurt your mission times. Also, you can use a cruise Golem to further improve your Fury missiles, and don't forget about boosters. A crystal set + corp tengu+loki+proteus booster can let you get by with scandalously little tank.

Take my advice with a grain of salt - its been ages since I ran a mission with any ship, and I don't even look at the fittings anymore. Its purely from-memory advice.

-Liang