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"I'm sorry, but you're a threat." The new players lament.
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Shazzam Vokanavom
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-02-05 11:16:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Shazzam Vokanavom
You could go play King of the Newb Pile in Arnon, seems even the best scoreboards are built with some representation of KB padding. Also as a bonus you get to learn smacktalk level 5 at the same time.
Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-02-05 11:28:33 UTC
My ~killboard efficiency~!

hello
Liam Mirren
#23 - 2012-02-05 11:30:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
When it comes to pvp there's just a few types of people.

- Most people are idiots (renters, bears and non-effort lazy fcks)
- most people think they're good but are still idiots, blobbing it up like lemmings (most 0.0 alliances)
- some actually are decent but lack age/wisdom/sense (larger PVP entities, wannabes)
- only a very select few are actually good and are able to look beyond K:D ratio, they actually notice that you tend to fly solo while having good fits and get cool kills and fights while only losing to blobs or very uneven fights. (very select few small gang/solo PVP corps).

The first two you want to avoid, the third you can get into simply based on stats (which doesn't necessarily mean anything) and tends to be full of Aholes and annoying people. The last type is the truly good one, you get into those by BEING good, not by looking good.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-02-05 11:37:23 UTC
You maybe right, but I'd not care too much about that.

Killboards don't promote PvP they promote ganking.

Killboards are what the kids like as they can boast to each other about how great a PvPer they are.

I'd like to see killboards gone myself as I don't think they do the game any favours in general.
Roxwar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-02-05 11:40:53 UTC
Well being newer to EVE than yourself OP, i'm not finding any of the problems you've posted in trying to find a PVP corp to join.

Granted, im still in my starter NPC corp, but its not from lack of offers.

I do admit i'm taking my time choosing where to go as i do prefer to find somewhere and stick with them permenently and give 100% and i dont want to be one of those 12month old players with a corp history 20 long.

At the moment i'm trying to prove myself usefull to 1 of the corps i'd like to join, one that has pretty high min requirements to join, and after speaking with them in their public channel over a few days and eventually finding out what it is i need to be deemed usefull to them - keeping in mind taking somebody like me on board and teaching me up requires time and effort on their part, time and effort they dont nessessarily have spare, and needing to be sure im not a spy of some sort - and going away to meet those requirements in order for me to be even considered seriously.

I dont think Killboards have much to do with it really, my killboard sucks ass to be honest, but i think its more about attitude to this game and not being averse to losing millions on ships everyday.
To me, losing ships means im having fun, and having fun is what playing a game is all about with the added bonus of making some great friends in the process hopefully.

I dont hide my lack of skills in EVE upto now, but i do want to learn and by losing ships like i do, so long as i take something from each loss and i learned where i went wrong or how to avoid it next time, i think eventually i'll get where i want to be.

A good PVP'er who is an asset to his corp/Alliance.
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#26 - 2012-02-05 11:44:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Meryl SinGarda
Okay. I read the 1st two paragraphs and this quote popped into my head, "Why so serious?"

Sure, it's cool to be all focused on your hobby and make a big deal out of things, but your problem is in the 1st two paragraphs.

I make a habit of dying. I love dying. It's what I'm good at! Some guy doesn't like that? Eat my nose. This is my EVE.

Also, get rid of killboards, add achievements. Problem solved.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-02-05 13:19:50 UTC
Okay, I read the first paragraph......

Look man, the fact that people in this game have some crazy insane kill ratios means one of two things: 1) They've either padded their KB with lame POS kills or 2) they've padded their KB with lame kills like HS docking games where the entirety of Jita local comes to their aid as neutral reppers.

I figure, as long as you're maintaining a positive KB who cares about the rest?

Don't ban me, bro!
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-02-05 13:24:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Stop wanting to be a sheep ?

I mean, seriously, joining corps like these isn't even worth the consideration.
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-02-05 13:26:03 UTC
Thing is, an 80+% kill ratio is a false economy anyway. All it means if you pick fights you can't lose. I'd rather have pilots who throw themselves into battles they can't possibly win, just for the lolz.

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Midori Tsu
Evolution
Northern Coalition.
#30 - 2012-02-05 13:34:27 UTC
Maybe you're just looking at the wrong corps? It's odd, I've never seemed to have had a problem finding the corp i want to be in.
Stranger Orecri
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-02-05 13:40:06 UTC
second Tolate wrote:
Letzlin Schaneger wrote:
second Tolate wrote:
If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you.

apparently you have a standart too, why shouldn't others?



Next time actually read my post and notice where I didn't say anything at all to the contrary, and actually went on to say they have every right to maintain that policy and that I would if I was in their shoes.



just that sentence implies that so learn to make your ideas clearer!
doesnt matter how you twist it, you want to fly with good pvpers cuz thats what you want, others have the right to have the same sentiment, isn't it a free world even in eve?

if you suck and someone has standart why would they want to fly with you?dont they have the choice for that??

you imply that others should play your way and not have the freedom to play as they want!


Spicing up the forums with a little bit of drama. Nice.
Xorth Adimus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-02-05 13:42:36 UTC
Letzlin Schaneger wrote:
If there is one thing that has been imbued upon me as a new player (Or at least, a player which is well and truly done with Incursions and Market PvP) it's the importance of maintaining a good killboard. If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you.

So clearly a bad killboard is something I wish to go to great lengths to avoid, and given that any mistake made will haunt you for the rest of your EVE career, or even make you completely unhireable if your losses are particularly unfortunate, not to mention my leisure time is valuable and I don't want to waste it with fools. In light of this, why would I want to join a corporation which is, or at least is operated with anything less than:

Activity.
Competence.
Experience.

And so far my experiences of trying to find a good group for the past month have consisted of 3 main experiences and 1 minor:


Many people take a long time to learn what you have posted right here, the problem you have is putting it into practice.

I started out in a small hi sec corp of good friends, we fought off some wardecs did roams in low sec and 0.0 and then joined a small NPC 0.0 alliance. The kind that just wants to shoot people in the face and basicly had nothing worth infiltrating for from there the world became my oyster. many of the people I met or killed I have found ended up with me on my journey and many are now old good friends. No other game has this, but it takes effort.

You see spying is an issue for large alliances with stuff to lose or indeed their pets, dying in a faction fit carebear horrible fit tengu to a war deccer in jita.. May even be worse

To join a decent large PVP alliance you have to offer more then a security risk, if you can show them you have done your time with solo kills, scouting, FC abilities and you get kill after kill either with your friends, or if you have none of these solo in a well fit decent ship (like a sabre) killing useless pets and bots in 0.0. Then you become sort after.

Having a scrub pilot (some people see 30mil SP pilots with less then 500 kills like this!) in fleet who doesn't know how to get kills fit his ship or stay alive and is likely screw up the whole fleet by jumping early or getting himself killed.. is a liability.

Get your ass in a small decent active 0.0 npc alliance and get some skills down have some fun and the kills will come..

Then after loving playing every day and roaming 3 hours a night...One day it can become epic:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Xorth+Adimus
Humidor Cigarillo
#33 - 2012-02-05 19:14:25 UTC
Some guy who flys drakes/tengus gets trolled by -A-.

Not sure if serious or just ironic.
Tomas Ysidro
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-02-05 19:20:27 UTC
Corps who base their recruitment standards on killboard efficiency aren't worth joining anyways. It's all about the arts and crafts
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#35 - 2012-02-05 19:29:02 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Okay, I read the first paragraph......

Look man, the fact that people in this game have some crazy insane kill ratios means one of two things: 1) They've either padded their KB with lame POS kills or 2) they've padded their KB with lame kills like HS docking games where the entirety of Jita local comes to their aid as neutral reppers.

I figure, as long as you're maintaining a positive KB who cares about the rest?


This

Miss Whippy wrote:
Thing is, an 80+% kill ratio is a false economy anyway. All it means if you pick fights you can't lose. I'd rather have pilots who throw themselves into battles they can't possibly win, just for the lolz.


Also this.

Anyone boo-hooing or thinking they are amazing because of a high k/d ratio is a risk averse coward and you will learn nothing but how to be bore yourself to death blobbing but still being incompetent at the game.

There's a few truly godly players with quite high kd ratios but they are few and far between. The majority of the time it just means you are risk averse.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-02-05 19:37:13 UTC
Frankly my dear, industrial pilots make the best PVPers because they will follow an experienced combat pilot's orders without question. The only problem is telling them what to do exactly.

Dodixie > Hek
Honnete Du Decimer
#37 - 2012-02-05 19:41:02 UTC
Look good score kill board. Many kill rubbish. You best luck for find people that no care for the kill board. Blink

PMS [:p]
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-02-05 19:46:50 UTC
This is douchebag online that promotes corp theft and backstabbing even in its cinematic trailers ...

And you wonder why people dont trust newcomers ....
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-02-05 20:02:10 UTC
Midori Tsu wrote:
Maybe you're just looking at the wrong corps? It's odd, I've never seemed to have had a problem finding the corp i want to be in.


No, you can't join us, and no we will not take Delve back for you!

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#40 - 2012-02-05 20:02:55 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Frankly my dear, industrial pilots make the best PVPers because they will follow an experienced combat pilot's orders without question. The only problem is telling them what to do exactly.

Being told when to jump or push F1`-F8 does not teach you how to look after yourself or how to move about a grid... know when you personally need to get out or call for reps appropriately or generally make any one of a thousand personal judgement calls that the FC shouldn't have to be telling you, or any other basic combat awareness.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)