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Drone Horde's... what were you thinking?
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Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#141 - 2011-12-03 10:51:21 UTC
Aloe Cloveris wrote:
I personally think mining is the most awful 'gameplay' you can willingly subject yourself to.

That said, miners really do need a break. Actual live miners, that is. As in, people who are at their keyboard, stoically weathering the crushing boredom as they harvest their minerals.

Yeah, those people could use a break.



Thnx. Oops
Yeah... I am a miner. Oops



Ris Dnalor wrote:


mineral prices will rise. that's a good thing :)

+1
Mograthi
#142 - 2011-12-04 05:06:11 UTC
LOL @CCP

This is perfect you "bugfixed" the bunker horde real good.

What was never a problem, as you stated, for us has now become a problem. The new improved and "fixed" horde bugs out the way you claimed the old not broken one did. Several days now we have sat with our 1 horde in system bugged so it wont re spawn after it is completed and wont fix it self till after downtime. Yes i have filed a bug report.

Way to go CCP top notch work.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#143 - 2011-12-04 07:40:41 UTC
Skizar wrote:
Avila Cracko wrote:
No ******* way that mineral drops is increasing even by 0.00001%
Do not screw miners even more...
Even now miners earns that its just so under the border of mans dignity...

and yours minerals are not so important you know... everything was fine before drone poop...

so... remove mineral drops from drones completely...


And you will be happy until no-one buys from you cause miners can not supply the amount of minerals that are required in eve... silly slap dash answer try again.


i guarantee if mining made more money/hour then anything else in eve people would start doing it Cool

mining makes what, 4mil per hour in highsec?
running a mission that takes probably less then an hour is like 10 mil.

face it, missioning is SLIGHTLY more fun then mining and makes a lot more money + standing gain which give you jump clones and lower taxes.

if drones didnt drop minerals more people would mine. making everything go up in price which will make a small isk sink because taxes go up (lol)
mining becomes a profession people can tolerate because of the good income.
nullsec might have mining ops and such nullbears are scared to mine though
people might venture into lowsec to mine if scouted and clear
Real Poison
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#144 - 2011-12-04 09:50:51 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
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if drones didnt drop minerals more people would mine. making everything go up in price which will make a small isk sink because taxes go up (lol)
mining becomes a profession people can tolerate because of the good income.
nullsec might have mining ops and such nullbears are scared to mine though
people might venture into lowsec to mine if scouted and clear


mining is dull.
getting ganked while doing a dull task...

yep more dullness and more ganks.

exactly what the game needs, i approve! Roll


look at this way, drones are mining like honeybees are making honey.
beekeper "steals" their honey. *WIN*

you as a professional pollen collector and artificial -honey maker (that tastes like ****) whine about bees should not make honey anymore and the beekeepers should pollenate flowers and trees and make honey themselves.

sounds fun, i approve! Roll
bornaa
GRiD.
#145 - 2011-12-04 14:35:57 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:


if drones didnt drop minerals more people would mine. making everything go up in price which will make a small isk sink because taxes go up (lol)
mining becomes a profession people can tolerate because of the good income.
nullsec might have mining ops and such nullbears are scared to mine though
people might venture into lowsec to mine if scouted and clear



I dont see a problem here...
Lets make mining profession again.
[Yes, I'm an Amateur](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRa-69uBmIw&feature=relmfu)
Eagle Amarr
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#146 - 2011-12-05 17:09:42 UTC
1. I pay for two accounts every month 30 euros over the last 15 month´s since 2005 btw

2. I living in DR since 3 days before the nerf comes(crucible) ...and its a total nerf btw.

3. I have no bots...and i wish ccp banns that accounts instantly FOR LIFETIME !!!

4. The problem with minerals is not enought ISK destroying in EVE generaly. (a simple idea .....remove Insurance ..why i can insure a cheap car and not my lamborgini T1 - >T2 -T3)

5. When CCP nerfs the DR its a useless nerf to buff miners.... in long terms the Inflation comes back around (I start mining again).
the argument that says mining is useless ---> mining in a upgraded system not in empire.

6. I runned today 2 hordes with a carrier and a fully dmg fittet nightmare with loot and salvage in more than 1h 30m and the reward for the risk and the time to run it in a decent wise = crap

7. What eve needs atm are more conflicts between alliances CPP please provocate them ....for example rebalance high techmoons move them to other regions or make other **** that provocates wars

8. Give little allyances more support to make them big .......and engage the rent a system style from the biggest allys in eve.

9. Sry for my poor english

10. Guys have a nice day and a wonderful sangt nicolaus ...cheers Bear
Severian Carnifex
#147 - 2011-12-07 18:38:55 UTC
bornaa wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:


if drones didnt drop minerals more people would mine. making everything go up in price which will make a small isk sink because taxes go up (lol)
mining becomes a profession people can tolerate because of the good income.
nullsec might have mining ops and such nullbears are scared to mine though
people might venture into lowsec to mine if scouted and clear



I dont see a problem here...
Lets make mining profession again.



+1
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#148 - 2011-12-07 20:06:50 UTC
Mograthi wrote:
LOL @CCP

This is perfect you "bugfixed" the bunker horde real good.

What was never a problem, as you stated, for us has now become a problem. The new improved and "fixed" horde bugs out the way you claimed the old not broken one did. Several days now we have sat with our 1 horde in system bugged so it wont re spawn after it is completed and wont fix it self till after downtime. Yes i have filed a bug report.

Way to go CCP top notch work.


Have you tried turning off the bot and doing it manualy?
Rukia Taika
Allied Operations
Mechanicus Macabre Immortale
#149 - 2011-12-07 22:29:17 UTC
So we got the Empire crying about the Horde drone pooh and the Drone Region guys crying about how badly yhe Hordes have been nerfed and GOON forum alts tossing gasoline on the fire.

Typical day in Eve forum land just a diffrent topic.

In many ways i agree with theEmpire Carebears and also the Drone Carebears. A change does need to take place. Many have talked about changing the drones to dropping sleeper type tech or something new making the region more valuable then the others and also a change to the mining side of things.

for the Drones reduce or remove the drone pooh but give a bounty for them equal to a sanctum rats

Rework the mining
1> no one has idea what they are mining till you take it to station or capital ship industrial analyzes it.
2> Risk the chance you hit a gas pocket in an asteroid and explodes...yes everyone takes kin/thermal damage plus you also reduce the amount of people botting or they spend all day with the possibility your miner goes boom from exploding rocks. or collecting junk rocks. yes you risk the chance of getting something that has no value. LOL.

I know #2 may be a bit harsh but then again maybe the DEVs will warp it and make it more balanced.
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#150 - 2011-12-07 23:10:55 UTC
Captain Mastiff wrote:
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:

Miners will take care of it!!!


So take care of it now and increase your output to be greater than the drone regions...


Kind of hard when you have a portion of the player base hunting you. Or have you forgotten about how miners are the bottom feeders of EVE?

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#151 - 2011-12-07 23:14:13 UTC
Sub Prime wrote:
Sheesh, will you miners ever listen. CCP maee drone alloys the only source of PVE income (excluding salvage and borked mag/rad sites) in the Drone Regions. People HAVE to make a living there, hence they're a bit peeved that the anomolies and drop amount have been nerfed. Considering the extra effort that players in the drone regions have to exert to realise the ISK, this has made them quite angry.

Now, back to you miners, if you want your mineral fix, fine, just come up with some suggestiong about alternatives for making ISK in these regions instead of just whining about how minerals should just be for miners.


I don't know about any other miners. But when I mine for 4-5 hours a day five days a week, I only make isk off the belt rats that come in and attack me. I too, have to take my ore and refine it, transport it and sell it on a flucuating market.

Why do you persist in thinking that miners make insta-ISK? Until I refine and sell, I make about 100,000 isk a day. Granted when I refine and sell, I make over 500mil, but then you and I are in the same boat, huh?

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#152 - 2011-12-07 23:21:57 UTC
Headerman wrote:
Tippia wrote:
ssgt slaughter wrote:
Lets look at this Nerf Objectively.
Ok.

The Drone Regions have over time become the largest provider of minerals in the game, effectively killing off an entire profession (mining) and rendering the ships related to this profession increasingly pointless. Objectively, this is bad.

It is no secret that they are looking at fixing this problem by drastically altering or completely removing alloys to. They are taking the long view on this and are trying to satisfy its customers by offering a wide variety of activities across a wide variety of space. The current set-up of the drone regions hinders both of those and thus needs to change.

Whether the occupants of the drone regions like such a change is, objectively, almost irrelevant.


Personally i think this argument is flawed.

Lets have a look at Plush sales, the premier Rogue Drone compound: http://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=11725 - 1.6 million units on the market at the moment.

Now at Veldspar sales: http://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=1230 - 346 million units on sale.

That's less than 1 in 200 of Plush to Veld.

Yes compounds are used extensively in the Rogue Drone lands, as well as used to sell finished good to other alliances in 0.0.

But to kill off mining? Really?

I seriously do not want CCP to remove compounds and add bounties, mining is such a **** boring JOB that i for one do not want to do.

I think one of the better things that could be looked at though is the viability of changing some systems in other regions to have Rogue Drone rats. Not many systems, maybe a few in each different region. Make those systems a target system ala good tru sec systems, they could be rich in resources, less trouble to harvest, but be good afk cloaky systems.

All high sec missioners get random rogue drone missions, and drones themselves are quite different Vs other rats, why not capitalise on that instead of pushing people forcibly into a mining barge?


Is something wrong with your brain housing group? What your basically saying is remove mining from the game.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#153 - 2011-12-07 23:30:46 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:


mining makes what, 4mil per hour in highsec?
running a mission that takes probably less then an hour is like 10 mil.



With the new tech II mining gang links and the current mineral prices, I make right at 12mil an hour mining. And thats in Empire space.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#154 - 2011-12-08 00:17:29 UTC
You can't change the spawns on the drone horde! You will regret this!
Aquila Draco
#155 - 2011-12-08 00:34:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Aquila Draco
Mortis vonShadow wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:


mining makes what, 4mil per hour in highsec?
running a mission that takes probably less then an hour is like 10 mil.



With the new tech II mining gang links and the current mineral prices, I make right at 12mil an hour mining. And thats in Empire space.


12mill... You are talking about the most ideal case you can get when everything is perfect with perfect skills, imps, dedicated hauler and perfect booster...
BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#156 - 2011-12-08 00:39:19 UTC
Aquila Draco wrote:
Mortis vonShadow wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:


mining makes what, 4mil per hour in highsec?
running a mission that takes probably less then an hour is like 10 mil.



With the new tech II mining gang links and the current mineral prices, I make right at 12mil an hour mining. And thats in Empire space.


12mill... You are talking about the most ideal case you can get...


Remember, he makes that an hour, but when he refines at the end of the day he makes 500m... (I'll let you do the math on how many hours a day he mines to do that).
DjmAc10
e X i l e
#157 - 2012-02-04 14:01:32 UTC
Also a good forum thread about how the drone regions should or shouldn´t be changed:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=36195&p=4
Thelron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#158 - 2012-02-04 16:10:59 UTC
Sub Prime wrote:
Sheesh, will you miners ever listen. CCP maee drone alloys the only source of PVE income (excluding salvage and borked mag/rad sites) in the Drone Regions. People HAVE to make a living there, hence they're a bit peeved that the anomolies and drop amount have been nerfed. Considering the extra effort that players in the drone regions have to exert to realise the ISK, this has made them quite angry.

Now, back to you miners, if you want your mineral fix, fine, just come up with some suggestiong about alternatives for making ISK in these regions instead of just whining about how minerals should just be for miners.


So, when they added the drones to what are now the drone regions they took out every asteroid belt and made it so you can't manufacture or research anything anywhere in drone space? Want alternatives? If there's going to be such a dearth of minerals generally mineable only in 0.0 space because the NPC's in the area of 0.0 space you happen to inhabit don't crap them out by the ton anymore...

I'm *somewhat* hoping alloys do get deleted entirely, while its a nice bonus to get a drone mission every so often and thus have enough morphite to crank out a couple T2 bits and pieces if I want, IMO it is *way* too easy to be self-sufficient from killing NPCs (of all types, everywhere). On the other hand, it's nice to have a *small* source of high-end minerals that can't be locked up by any one bloc, so maybe leave the alloys in but at a drastically reduced drop rate- about equivalent to your total chances of a meta 3 or 4 drop off an equivalent non-drone target. I also like the thought of them dropping something else more than a bounty, as a couple have suggested maybe drones could be a bit of a clearinghouse for *all* the resource types- moon goo, refined PI materials, all the stuff that is moderately cornerable *could* drop from a drone, and the way to make the bigger drones "better" targets would be that they drop more items, rather than having a better list (so, low-end drones in empire missions would drop 0-3 items, drone region battleship drones *would* drop an alloy even if it turns out to just be the stupid "have some trit" one, 4 or 5 chances to drop goo/mats/whatever, and an assortment of drone-specific stuff or maybe they just happen to salvage really well). Basically, make them able to provide a decent income but not in a way that ties in to any one sector of the market and not one that just automatically shows up in your wallet (what with 0.0 being about making a fortune off ingenious use of available resources... or at least it should be).

Really, *all* 0.0 should probably follow the asteroid example- better profit by way of access to more abundant rare stuff, *not* because someone decided that risk = isk directly. Exotic resources and high-end modules flow into empre from the frontiers, isk flows out. You still get plenty rich, but it (hopefully) diversifies the interdependance of the different types of space rather than the current state of things.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#159 - 2012-02-04 16:42:10 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Don't worry. They're thinking about nuking alloys completely and replace them with something else.

Probably bounties and stuff like normal rats? Anyway the mount of minerals coming from lazer mining
is probably pretty unexpected by CCP when they put in the drones. Maybe they wish they had stuck with normal rat rewards.

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Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2012-02-04 16:48:13 UTC
imho switch rogue drones to bounties like other rats, make mining relavant again.