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Spencer Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-01-31 19:58:08 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
I have had the experience recently of losing several ships to player pirates who camp out and then jump on you just because your small fry. I dont see the point in this but i suppose that's part of the game.
What has got my back up is that i cant place a bounty on these people because their sec status is higher than -1.0. They know this and keep thier sec status high for that reason. Sure i get kill rights but that is no good to me flying and iteron 3....

Can the bounty system be overhauled for a more level playing field?

S.D.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2012-01-31 20:21:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Need more details ... but since you're API verified on battleclinic I was able to dig up a few things.

1. The losses in Seylen, Parts, and Basgerin were all due to you flying into lowsec space. Don't do this alone unless you know the locals. If you don't know the locals, they'll shoot at you. CONCORD is not in lowsec to protect you.

2. The losses in the other systems all look to be your fault as well. Looks like you were mining, and ... presumably, someone came along and flipped your can. Because they did this (and went flashy red), you probably started shooting them. Soon as you shot them (which you were allowed to do), they are allowed to defend themselves without CONCORD repercussions.

Suppose people could be ganking you just for the simple fact you're in a belt mining (though, bit surprised they're going for something cheap like an itty 3), or more likely you're at war with someone (or multiple someones). Check the "Notifications" Tab in your evemail to see if you have anything from CONCORD in the "War" category.

If you are at war, it's generally a bad idea to be mining. Your CEO and/or directors should really be keeping you informed about what to do in wars though...


edit - clarity...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#3 - 2012-01-31 20:48:35 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Yeah honestly the best advice is to join a player corp and ask them to teach you how to play eve. This is an MMO after all and is way more fun with friends

Spencer Dallocort wrote:
i cant place a bounty on these people because their sec status is higher than -1.0

You know what. Why not let people with positive security status put bounties on one another. This is of course assuming that the bounty system gets fixed. And there are some very good threads on the forum about how to fix bounties. Mainly they are about preventing it from being profitable for someone to get on an alt and blow up their main to get their own bounty.

But yeah sometimes carebears hate other carebears. Why not let them fight each other in the only method they know how to, with isk.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2012-01-31 20:55:49 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Spencer Dallocort wrote:
I have had the experience recently of losing several ships to player pirates who camp out and then jump on you just because your small fry. I dont see the point in this but i suppose that's part of the game.
What has got my back up is that i cant place a bounty on these people because their sec status is higher than -1.0. They know this and keep thier sec status high for that reason. Sure i get kill rights but that is no good to me flying and iteron 3....

Can the bounty system be overhauled for a more level playing field?

S.D.


Actually, given that you were in lowsec, they were shooting you because you were there, not because you were small. If you go to lowsec, go there prepared for a fight.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-02-01 00:44:34 UTC
Sorry Spencer but a thread like this is going to get you nothing but flamed. You don't want to be placing bounties...it is pointless. You are just giving them money. Find a good alliance willing to help you out and join them. Make friends and stick with em for safety. Stop letting pirates kill you.

Welcome to EvE and best of luck.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Koen L
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-02-01 13:31:49 UTC
Hire mercs or better just ignore. Join a 0.0 corp, make some serious isk.

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Citizen Smif
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-02-03 10:16:06 UTC
If you can't beat them, join them.. There's nothing in the carebear world for you chap. You'll wake up oneday with your billions of ISK, your fancy ships and faction mods and you'll realise there's nothing more left for you.. That insatiable hunger for more ISK will consume you like it has all the other miners & missioners. You'll develop a horrific drug addiction, your wife will leave you, your shiny ships will be blown up my narcistic pirates and terrorists.. Then you'll be back to square 1 - alone, broke and pissed off that the world is so ****.

Best of luck to you!
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-02-03 10:43:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
even though almost all those losses were your fault and you should probably find a corp where there's people who will teach you not to make the mistakes you made, you are correct in that the current bounty system sucks.

edit: see if you can join the pirates, they seem to know what's up
Bunyip
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-02-04 05:16:36 UTC
Seems like you're in the same situation that nearly every Eve player goes through. I went through this myself, and you have two choices:
1. Decide this game is too difficult (it does have a steep learning curve), quit it, and go back to whatever game you were playing before this, or
2. Learn from your mistakes, come back stronger, and recoup your losses.

I know this, as I once lost 10b ISK in a high-sec gank (I was in a hauler before the WTZ days). I could easily have quit and moved on, but I resolved to rebuild my fortune. I hope you're a fighter, and learn the ins and outs of this magnificent game, but the choice is in your hands.

One last thing to keep in mind: When a player quits Eve to return to WoW, the intelligence of both communities goes up a little.
Aineko Macx
#10 - 2012-02-04 13:07:38 UTC
Independent of whether it was the OPs fault or not, the bounty system DOES need an overhaul. Transferable killrights are the first step to realizing the great potential in the bounty system.

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Cade Windstalker
#11 - 2012-02-04 19:41:57 UTC
Even if you did place a bounty on them, it's no good because they can just pod themselves with an alt in a clean clone and you've basically just handed them a chunk of cash.

*insert plug for Eve University here* (seriously, you could learn something)

And yeah, bounty mechanics could use some work.
IIIAsharakIII
Hostile Takeover.
Leviathan.
#12 - 2012-02-05 00:31:38 UTC
Guys and gals, he's talking about the bounty system, not his losses. Let him be mad, thats the appropriate response. He's asking for a way to deal with it, and you're not giving him answers.


OP:

I, for one, did not realise you couldn't place bounties on individuals having sec statuses higher than -1.

This seems odd, and should be fixed. If I want to place a bounty on someone's head, their security status should be irrelevant.
Jalmari Huitsikko
Avanto
Hole Control
#13 - 2012-02-05 09:19:40 UTC
Every space vessel can possibly carry valuable goods. I have seen rookie ships carrying cargo worth several hunded million isk.

Iteron III can possibly carry cargo which has value over 1 billion.

Price of ship hull does not matter at all.

Talking about security status, whole system is pretty ********. Being on negative side only gives you a lot of trouble and no real gain so almost everyone just gets it up just enough not to be under -2.0. Only reason to stay below is roleplaying. This is maybe a minor thing but nevertheless one of the things CCP and CSM both fail to look at like many other things which makes low sec low sec. They both just lack knowledge and vision about wtf people are actually doing or looking for in there aside silly faction warfare.

To the actual point. Sec status limit for bounties is fine. It prevents you for placing illegal bounties on law abiding citizens. Harhar. Of course nothing stops you from creating 3rd party bounty service.