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Endeavour Starfleet
#41 - 2012-02-04 06:44:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
Another topic full of lies about so called incursion inflation when the numbers themselves that bounties do so much more. And bounties that involve a group are mostly at a low percentage anyway.

Yet you can calm down. If there is ANY kind of incursion inflation anyway. (There isn't) A simple force Vanguards to be completed in full will help that. And most agree with that change anyway.

But many want to claim Incursions are the devil and they need to be nuked from orbit. Because their nullsec alliance is failing to attract the numbers forced into CTAs as before.
Bel Amar
Rules of Acquisition
#42 - 2012-02-04 06:47:37 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
now you're saying nonsense after i hazed you with the fact that your comments are irrelevant in this discussion.


Your last two posts have contained no useful information, but did helpfully include a personal attack

The person you are attacking however, whilst adding in a personal attack of his own, did at least try and keep discussion relevant to the topic.

I can see why you're so annoyed at him "being a goon" when you've gone so far out of your way to have a meaningful discussion...
The Apostle
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-02-04 06:50:21 UTC
Bel Amar wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
now you're saying nonsense after i hazed you with the fact that your comments are irrelevant in this discussion.


Your last two posts have contained no useful information, but did helpfully include a personal attack

The person you are attacking however, whilst adding in a personal attack of his own, did at least try and keep discussion relevant to the topic.

I can see why you're so annoyed at him "being a goon" when you've gone so far out of your way to have a meaningful discussion...


<00> ( binos in use ) Goon alt spotted.

Stop being so obvious, it's sickening. Andski is ALWAYS first at being a douche, I'd NEVER try to outplay that - he is FAR too clever.

Nullsec democracy is an oxymoron. Bloc voting for alliance candidates is Democracy for Morons 101. Let them perish in their self-interest.

Bring back Eve. OUR Eve.
Fearless M0F0
Incursion PWNAGE Asc
#44 - 2012-02-04 06:51:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Fearless M0F0
According to CCP_Diagoras twitter feed:


  • In average, incursion runners made 300m/month (10m/day) on the last 3 months of 2011
  • Total incursion payouts are about twice as much as total mission payouts (and they should, since you can't solo a vanguard in a Drake)
  • Incursions add about a third of the isk bounties add to the eve economy.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-02-04 06:51:47 UTC
laffo 1000+ posts and that's only garnered you 17 likes

so

bad

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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The Apostle
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-02-04 07:01:49 UTC  |  Edited by: The Apostle
Andski wrote:
laffo 1000+ posts and that's only garnered you 17 likes

so

bad

lolz. Think again. If there's 1000+ posts it's a db glitch.

This alt was killed off about 3 months ago with 1800+

I bought him back only yesterday because I missed you guys.

Even Mittens knew that.

Intel letting you down?


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=postmessage&t=65278&f=258&q=748018

The Apostle wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
you deleted your insane forum trolling alt and then re-made it, which is why you're back to 0 likes

cute

I'm still insane. I'm still an alt. I'm not trolling.

As for "likes". They are an abomination. I seek it's irrelevance.

Nullsec democracy is an oxymoron. Bloc voting for alliance candidates is Democracy for Morons 101. Let them perish in their self-interest.

Bring back Eve. OUR Eve.
Bel Amar
Rules of Acquisition
#47 - 2012-02-04 07:15:23 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
<00> ( binos in use ) Goon alt spotted.


Wow, you certainly disproved my point!
The Apostle
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2012-02-04 07:19:19 UTC
Bel Amar wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
<00> ( binos in use ) Goon alt spotted.


Wow, you certainly disproved my point!

Perhaps you need to spend less time being a self-proclaimed "you dizzed some random dude " moderator if you can't handle the heat.

Nullsec democracy is an oxymoron. Bloc voting for alliance candidates is Democracy for Morons 101. Let them perish in their self-interest.

Bring back Eve. OUR Eve.
Bel Amar
Rules of Acquisition
#49 - 2012-02-04 07:33:00 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Perhaps you need to spend less time being a self-proclaimed "you dizzed some random dude " moderator if you can't handle the heat.


You're the one complaining about goons...
The Apostle
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2012-02-04 07:43:07 UTC
Bel Amar wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
Perhaps you need to spend less time being a self-proclaimed "you dizzed some random dude " moderator if you can't handle the heat.


You're the one complaining about goons...

And you're complaining about me complaining about Goons.

And YOU started it.... P

Nullsec democracy is an oxymoron. Bloc voting for alliance candidates is Democracy for Morons 101. Let them perish in their self-interest.

Bring back Eve. OUR Eve.
Bel Amar
Rules of Acquisition
#51 - 2012-02-04 08:00:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Bel Amar
The Apostle wrote:
And you're complaining about me complaining about Goons


I wasn't complaining, I was merely pointing out that you stopped trying to argue the point and went all ad hominem whilst complaining about others behaviour.

Don't let me stop you doing that, if you've got some sort of strategy in which acting like a hypocrite that can't keep on topic will somehow prove your point that Incursions aren't broken, by all means, keep going...
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-02-04 08:38:14 UTC
Highsec incursions definitely need a nerf. Not a huge one necessarily, but shaving a bit off the rewards and gimping the ability to stretch them out would work.


And yes, tech moons need work too. Nobody gets an easy license to print isk. You either grind your face on the sandpaper of l4 missions or the sandpaper of ratting.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
The Apostle
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2012-02-04 09:28:07 UTC
Bel Amar wrote:

Don't let me stop you doing that, if you've got some sort of strategy in which acting like a hypocrite that can't keep on topic will somehow prove your point that Incursions aren't broken, by all means, keep going...

Hey. I don't give a rats because I don't believe Incursions do anywhere near "economic harm" they do. It's imaginary and is pure jealousy because the Goons have made a stand on it and they can't back out.

I jumped in because Andski doesn't do Incursions or if he does he's a lying SOB. He (like his sheep mates) are self-proclaimed experts on "nobody should be able to enjoy Eve unless he's a Goon". For mine, that **** has gotta stop.

My one and only defense is that ANYONE around here from highsec makes the slightest move at "independence" and Goons think they know ******* everything and try to roflstomp it. If you don't believe this, post on your main and show me your true colours.

Stop sucking up to the Goons and hit 'em hard. They'll **** you, your game and then **** in the hole they leave behind and laugh while they do it. Grow up.

Nullsec democracy is an oxymoron. Bloc voting for alliance candidates is Democracy for Morons 101. Let them perish in their self-interest.

Bring back Eve. OUR Eve.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#54 - 2012-02-04 09:31:11 UTC
Fearless M0F0 wrote:
According to CCP_Diagoras twitter feed:


  • In average, incursion runners made 300m/month (10m/day) on the last 3 months of 2011
  • Total incursion payouts are about twice as much as total mission payouts (and they should, since you can't solo a vanguard in a Drake)
  • Incursions add about a third of the isk bounties add to the eve economy.



so not as bad a people think, well at least i thought.

1/3 incursions--- guess thats all sec lvl's
1/6 missions--- empire mostly??
1/2 ratting--- 0.0

OMG when can i get a pic here
Lucas Quaan
Goryn Clade
#55 - 2012-02-04 09:51:43 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
1) So tech income is NEVER used to buy plexes so the trillions generated NEVER have an impact on prices - ONLY Incursions?

Technetium and other moon goo/minerals DO NOT GENERATE ISK, they merely redistribute it trough transactions on the market, which overall REMOVES ISK through taxes/fees.

We can have whatever argument we want on the relative impact of incursions, inflation and the unfair balance of current moon distribution/usage, but lets at least get this thing right first.
Bel Amar
Rules of Acquisition
#56 - 2012-02-04 10:07:08 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
...and is pure jealousy because the Goons have made a stand on it and they can't back out.


@TheMittani: Incursions are probably the coolest PvE/PvP hybrid in EVE right now. Go run one if you haven't yet. Even bittervets approve. #tweetfleet
@TheMittani: @Khanhrhh Incursions add social cohesion and teach good pvp habits though (how to run logi gangs), I'm pro-Incursion.

Oh look, it's not as black and white as you try and make it. Who knew?
bartos100
Living Ghost
#57 - 2012-02-04 11:04:13 UTC
I think most of you forget that there was an offer to buy fanfest tickets with plex and i am sure that that also helped to increase plex prises
Sicex
#58 - 2012-02-04 11:09:03 UTC
Whereas missions seem an unavoidable element of the classic MMO structure which helps indoctrinate the common player to EVE, Incursions (at their current age) represent an immature faucet that needs to be more inline with the other more natural ISK faucets.

The main problem of Incursions being the fact they violate EVE's entire risk vs. reward payout structure by even being present in hi-sec.
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#59 - 2012-02-04 13:20:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Ammzi
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

Retweeted 13 hours ago: Feb 1st: 302bn ISK and 4.7m LP handed out as Incursion rewards.


Oh my god. I can't believe my calculations on average isk per hour were so accurate!!
BOO-yah!

(somewhere weeks ago I stated an average isk per hour is 15 b for incursions.)

Right here it is. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=639657#post639657

*claps himself on shoulder*
I know, no one cares but let me just enjoy this moment.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#60 - 2012-02-04 15:31:17 UTC
Fearless M0F0 wrote:
According to CCP_Diagoras twitter feed:


  • In average, incursion runners made 300m/month (10m/day) on the last 3 months of 2011
  • Total incursion payouts are about twice as much as total mission payouts (and they should, since you can't solo a vanguard in a Drake)
  • Incursions add about a third of the isk bounties add to the eve economy.


Actually not too far off my estimate in the OP.

But: Remember that if incursions did not exist those incursion runners would be off doing L4s or plexes and generating bounties. The ISK generated would be about half that of Incursions. Result: the extra ISK produced due to the existence of incursions is one sixth or 17% the total.

17% more isk will surely have an effect on the economy, but its not enough to destroy it or cause hyper-inflation.

The risk in high sec incursions: True its not from PvP combat, but that is not to say its risk free. You could fly 20 jumps to one just to find no one lets you in a fleet. Or you get into an incompetent fleet that sits doing nothing while trying to get its act together. Or worse, gets your ship exploded by the Sansha. Another risk is there are so many incursion fleets that every site is contested and you get few of the rewards.

Do you really think everyone in high sec is so super competent that we all get to run incursions and make 100 mil an hour?

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