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Bel Amar
Rules of Acquisition
#21 - 2012-02-04 05:29:31 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Yes, that was tweeted as well.
So what does that number mean to you?


It represents either a skew in the amount of ISK being created, or a skew in the amount of missions being run, providing a contrast to your post suggesting that no such skew exists.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-02-04 05:38:01 UTC
Andski wrote:
remove incursions from high-sec

problem solved, you revitalize lowsec and remove a substantial fountain of risk-free ISK


I'm curious why this was just glossed over. Sounds pretty damn solid. Rewards could even be boosted to acknowledge you'd probably need a defense crew on top of the incursion-tacklers.

Hello, hello again.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-02-04 05:41:24 UTC
Degren wrote:
Andski wrote:
remove incursions from high-sec

problem solved, you revitalize lowsec and remove a substantial fountain of risk-free ISK


I'm curious why this was just glossed over. Sounds pretty damn solid. Rewards could even be boosted to acknowledge you'd probably need a defense crew on top of the incursion-tacklers.


"we don't want to take our shiny 10b faction BS into lowsec and we don't know how to use ahacs, T3s or T1 battleships (("

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#24 - 2012-02-04 05:43:42 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
The stats arnt entirely usable because they dont include the ammount of isk destroyed, but does include Insurance buys/pays

Incursions are simply the best isk source in the game, hands down. If you are an experienced PvE'er, just try it. It makes more money then 0.0 space or even wormhole space (wh space is much more difficult to maintain then regular 0.0 as well.)

Incursions are pouring isk into the system, which is what accounts for the hike in PLEX prices i believe. (inflation)

While most of us are still making money the way we did pre-incursions, we are still treating our money with the 'old value' of it... while the incursions have watered down the value of isk and prices are generally going up.

It doesnt matter to Incursion people because they're getting their pockets packed, but the rest of eve is going to start hurting soon


Proof please.
CCP has stated that inflation is approx 1%/month.
That is their number, not mine, not something made up.

12%/ year is nothing in this game.
Trit alone has gone up 10% in the past month alone.

Let's blame that on the Incursion runners too.
Clearly, if they were not running Incursions they would be mining trit, therefore driving trit prices down.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-02-04 05:45:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
the price spike on lowends is a result of a nerf to drone anoms

the price spike on PLEX is, however, easily attributed to incursions

get real moron

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#26 - 2012-02-04 05:51:53 UTC
Andski wrote:
the price spike on lowends is a result of a nerf to drone anoms

the price spike on PLEX is, however, easily attributed to incursions

get real moron



Really?

Prove it. Show me the numbers.
Show me CCP's calculations on this subject.

Anything else is just propaganda.
Tore Vest
#27 - 2012-02-04 05:55:06 UTC
Andski wrote:
the price spike on lowends is a result of a nerf to drone anoms

the price spike on PLEX is, however, easily attributed to incursions

get real moron


The price spike on plex is on you .. my dear goon...
Incursions are 1 year old....
Prices went up when super nerf was anounced Bear

You like to call all others moron... dont you... Blink

No troll.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-02-04 05:55:16 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Andski wrote:
the price spike on lowends is a result of a nerf to drone anoms

the price spike on PLEX is, however, easily attributed to incursions

get real moron



Really?

Prove it. Show me the numbers.
Show me CCP's calculations on this subject.

Anything else is just propaganda.


wow you totally glossed over the whole "300b pumped into the economy in a day" tweet

http://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Diagoras/status/165446008912871424

any more bullshit you want to throw my way?

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-02-04 05:56:31 UTC
Tore Vest wrote:
Andski wrote:
the price spike on lowends is a result of a nerf to drone anoms

the price spike on PLEX is, however, easily attributed to incursions

get real moron


The price spike on plex is on you .. my dear goon...
Incursions are 1 year old....
Prices went up when super nerf was anounced Bear

You like to call all others moron... dont you... Blink


it's as if you haven't paid attention to the fact that PLEX has been at >400m much longer than that

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
The Apostle
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-02-04 05:56:59 UTC
Andski, how many Incursion runners have Tech moons, and MUTLIPLE 50m/hr anoms without moving out of a single system every frigging day?

EVERY frigging day.

GTFO...... Roll

Better yet. Get off your fat lazy moonsucking ass and go kill some Incursion runners yourself - go on, go kill some of those 10b shineys. Oh, sorry, what's that? Busy.... Guffaw.

If you're indicative of a quality "CSM candidate" then I hope every Goon in Eve votes for YOUR ass - I will too just to be SURE you're a member Pirate

Nullsec democracy is an oxymoron. Bloc voting for alliance candidates is Democracy for Morons 101. Let them perish in their self-interest.

Bring back Eve. OUR Eve.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2012-02-04 05:57:01 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:
The stats arnt entirely usable because they dont include the ammount of isk destroyed, but does include Insurance buys/pays

Incursions are simply the best isk source in the game, hands down. If you are an experienced PvE'er, just try it. It makes more money then 0.0 space or even wormhole space (wh space is much more difficult to maintain then regular 0.0 as well.)

Incursions are pouring isk into the system, which is what accounts for the hike in PLEX prices i believe. (inflation)

While most of us are still making money the way we did pre-incursions, we are still treating our money with the 'old value' of it... while the incursions have watered down the value of isk and prices are generally going up.

It doesnt matter to Incursion people because they're getting their pockets packed, but the rest of eve is going to start hurting soon


Proof please.
CCP has stated that inflation is approx 1%/month.
That is their number, not mine, not something made up.

12%/ year is nothing in this game.
Trit alone has gone up 10% in the past month alone.

Let's blame that on the Incursion runners too.
Clearly, if they were not running Incursions they would be mining trit, therefore driving trit prices down.


Are you saying that the introduction of incursions has had zero impact on the economy? You're honestly claiming incursions are not a significantly larger income source then previous sources?

Just try it dude... you'll see. You can earn enough to buy carriers in a matter of hours. Everyone i know who used to run DED sites now just follows incursions around. My corp used to run 2 wh's and they've just abandoned those last week in favor of incursions.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-02-04 06:00:51 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Andski, how many Incursion runners have Tech moons, and MUTLIPLE 50m/hr anoms without moving out of a single system every frigging day?

EVERY frigging day.

GTFO...... Roll

Better yet. Get off your fat lazy moonsucking ass and go kill some Incursion runners yourself - go on, go kill some of those 10b shineys. Oh, sorry, what's that? Busy.... Guffaw.

If you're indicative of a quality "CSM candidate" then I hope every Goon in Eve votes for YOUR ass - I will too just to be SURE you're a member Pirate


Tech moons are nationalized by alliances and they do -not- pump ISK into the economy.

50m/hour anoms in 0.0 are much riskier than high-sec incursions which print out 100m/hour.

It is obvious that you've never set foot into nullsec but please continue!

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#33 - 2012-02-04 06:04:54 UTC
Andski wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Andski wrote:
the price spike on lowends is a result of a nerf to drone anoms

the price spike on PLEX is, however, easily attributed to incursions

get real moron



Really?

Prove it. Show me the numbers.
Show me CCP's calculations on this subject.

Anything else is just propaganda.


wow you totally glossed over the whole "300b pumped into the economy in a day" tweet

http://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Diagoras/status/165446008912871424

any more bullshit you want to throw my way?


Gee, considering I was the one who posted the 302 B number, and then went on to show that represents 24% of the PvE bounties, don't think I missed it.

302 billion daily is a drop in the bucket in the Eve economy.

But discussing anything with a Goon is pointless.
I would have a more intelligent conversation talking to that gorilla that can sign 300 words.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-02-04 06:09:12 UTC
you're totally missing the point or willfully disregarding it

get in a covops and head to a lowsec incursion system and see how fast the sites disappear

then head to a high-sec incursion system and see how fast the sites disappear

let's be generous and assume that 75% of that figure is from high-sec incursions - that's 227b pumped into the economy with concord protection

if you have a hard time realizing why the risk/reward equation is absolutely broken in high-sec you're probably a simian

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
The Apostle
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-02-04 06:11:43 UTC
Andski wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
Andski, how many Incursion runners have Tech moons, and MUTLIPLE 50m/hr anoms without moving out of a single system every frigging day?

EVERY frigging day.

GTFO...... Roll

Better yet. Get off your fat lazy moonsucking ass and go kill some Incursion runners yourself - go on, go kill some of those 10b shineys. Oh, sorry, what's that? Busy.... Guffaw.

If you're indicative of a quality "CSM candidate" then I hope every Goon in Eve votes for YOUR ass - I will too just to be SURE you're a member Pirate


Tech moons are nationalized by alliances and they do -not- pump ISK into the economy.

50m/hour anoms in 0.0 are much riskier than high-sec incursions which print out 100m/hour.

It is obvious that you've never set foot into nullsec but please continue!

1) So tech income is NEVER used to buy plexes so the trillions generated NEVER have an impact on prices - ONLY Incursions?
2) Nullsec anoms risky. Bullshit. How hard is it when neuts/reds are spotted 10 jumps? Got time to pull the fighters in, have a beer and wander off to a POS.
3) Wrong.

Nullsec democracy is an oxymoron. Bloc voting for alliance candidates is Democracy for Morons 101. Let them perish in their self-interest.

Bring back Eve. OUR Eve.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-02-04 06:21:09 UTC
1) Tech ISK is rarely spent on PLEX, fyi! It's alliance ISK - it goes to sov bills, alliance-level programs like ship replacements, etc.
2) As opposed to "lol guys i'm getting shot at, rep me and let concord take care of it"
3) wow you were probably in some renter alliance, you're clearly the expert on nullsec

btw, there's ~300 tech moons total

the daily extraction from a single tech moon is 2400 tech (100 tech per hour) - assuming that all 300 of those tech moons are being mined, that's 720k technetium daily, or 82.8 billion ISK total (and that ISK changes hands, it isn't created out of thin air)

i wonder what the larger problem is, hurr

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#37 - 2012-02-04 06:25:53 UTC
Andski wrote:
you're totally missing the point or willfully disregarding it

get in a covops and head to a lowsec incursion system and see how fast the sites disappear

then head to a high-sec incursion system and see how fast the sites disappear

let's be generous and assume that 75% of that figure is from high-sec incursions - that's 227b pumped into the economy with concord protection

if you have a hard time realizing why the risk/reward equation is absolutely broken in high-sec you're probably a simian


Last post. I am tired of running L4's today, and going to bed.
Yeah, I am running L4's because the sole high sec Incursion site is packed.
Plus I am angry with myself for getting sucked into yet another pointless discussion with a Goon.

The actual % of high sec Incursion payouts is a little over 91%.
You would see that John tweeted that also, if you bothered to look.

And still, so what?
It could be 100% and it would still be a DROP IN THE BUCKET.

Your last line states what your agenda is: You want to destroy all high sec income generation because it does not fit YOUR view, not CCP's, not the 67.6% of Eve players who live in high sec (another tweet from John), but YOUR view of risk/return.

But hey, your crew will dominate the CSM again, and you will get your way.
I don't know why you are so bent out of shape for. I am guessing that by the June release, next December tops, Goons and null sec friends will have persuaded CCP to nerf high sec Incursions, industry, mining, and possibly even L4's.
The Apostle
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-02-04 06:31:34 UTC
Andski wrote:
i wonder what the larger problem is, hurr

It's a quaint and ancient belief that one must die a thousand deaths before one can enjoy a coin for his purse.

Oh wait. That was 200 years ago. Roll

Nullsec democracy is an oxymoron. Bloc voting for alliance candidates is Democracy for Morons 101. Let them perish in their self-interest.

Bring back Eve. OUR Eve.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-02-04 06:36:22 UTC
now you're saying nonsense after i hazed you with the fact that tech is irrelevant in this discussion

gj scrub

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
The Apostle
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-02-04 06:41:10 UTC
Andski wrote:
now you're saying nonsense after i hazed you with the fact that tech is irrelevant in this discussion

gj scrub

now you're saying nonsense after i hazed you with the fact that your comments are irrelevant in this discussion.

what the **** are you, a goon?

oh wait.....

Nullsec democracy is an oxymoron. Bloc voting for alliance candidates is Democracy for Morons 101. Let them perish in their self-interest.

Bring back Eve. OUR Eve.