Out of Pod Experience

Err, what movie were YOU watching?



There's a huge difference between the two:

The star-killing missile works by some technobabble trick that probably won't work outside of very specific circumstances (IOW, it's useless against at killing other ships).

The death star blows up a planet by simply applying unbelievably huge amounts of energy to it.


(Also, can we please stop mentioning that horrible "movie"? Until this thread I'd been pretty successful at forgetting the painful fact that it ever existed.)



Or because all of their superweapons are based on bizarre technobabble, and most of them are lost technology.

And since I really doubt that all of the OTHER races in Star Trek would be so generous to their opposition, their failure to develop instant-win weapons of their own seems to be pretty clear proof that widespread use of them is simply not possible.

So why do they keep trying?



No, it's not. If the Federation fleet can successfully fight a Borg cube, then difference in firepower between a single Federation ship and a Borg cube is much, much less than the difference in firepower between a Federation ship and a star destroyer. FFS, why is this so hard to understand?

If you are outgunned 10-1, you can bring a fleet of 15 ships and win with heavy casualties.

If you are outgunned 1000000000000000000000000000000-1, all you can do is die.




Like what? The only examples of starship weapon effects in Star Wars are:

1) Starship weapons hitting a shielded starship, where we have no real world standard to compare it to (due to the slight problem of not having shields in the real world).

2) Starship weapons hitting a starship with military-level armor and possibly shields (for example, the attack on the first death star's surface), where we see massive damage but don't really have a standard to compare it to since we don't know the composition of that armor.

3) Starship weapons hitting asteroids, where we see asteroids vaporized entirely by capital ship weapons or (AotC) blasted into rubble in a huge radius by starfighter weapons.

The third case is the only one where we can get useful information, and in both cases we see massive firepower.



Let me make this nice and simple for you: if these superweapons and their related technology were as easy to develop as you say, and only the Federation's ethical rules prevent them from doing so, the Romulans/Borg/whoever would build them, effortlessly wipe out the entire Federation fleet, and then start destroying planets until the Federation surrendered and accepted a position of eternal slavery. The "war" would be over in a single TV episode.

The fact that we do not see this happen is indisputable proof that the Star Trek races are not capable of developing Star Wars level firepower as anything more than one-time technobabble plot devices.

Hi my name is Q.

*swipe hand and turn whole empire in low quality rubber/helium voice singing dildos

Because a Star Wars fighter has firepower comparable to a Star Trek capital ship? Because the super star destroyer was only lost after suffering concentrated fire from the entire Rebel capital fleet (including miles-long battleships) which allowed the fighters to accomplish anything?

And I should also point out that the Rebels may have been smaller, but they still had the same base level of technology, and the ability to build mile-long capital ships, swarms of fighters, etc. Star Trek has none of these advantages.

Actually, I don't remember this part. I thought that the Klingon fleet was engaged by, and destroyed by, said ship as spoken of by Uhura? And I thought that was part of the driving theme that allowed Kirk to convince the then captain of the enterprise it was a trap in orbit around Vulcan? I was also under the impression, after watching the film, that Nero's ship was tearing apart entire fleets with very little effort.


Did I miss something?



Oh yea, & U mad yet?

Picard did. Led a couple of Borg onto the holodeck and disabled the safety protocols, then proceeded to go all OG gangster on them with a Tommy gun. Warf just busted out his Klingon sword.

Well I would suggest putting howitzers on the ships hull first but that's just me......

Edit: I would like to point out that we did in fact adapt to the borg without having to go backwards in technology. For crew members, they were assigned new phasers that would constantly modulate their frequency making it harder for the Borg to adapt.
On a ship to ship scale the Defiant was made specifically to counter Borg cubes. It packed modulating shields for defense, modulated turbo phasers for offense (and included the new Quantum Torpedoes), an oversize powerplant for speed and maneuverability far above any starfleet ship currently in use, and was the first federation ship to utilize the cloak under a treaty agreement with the Klingons. The issue was that after the first cube was defeated they stopped production on any more versions because the politicians felt it wasn't needed. Most Starfleet ships are designed for general purpose but the Defiant was made for battle.

So what your saying is stuff like that can in fact be built in the fictional universe of star trek. Thank you for confirming my assertion.




U like the crack pipe or something Merin?


Also, I just popped in this movie. Looks like the very first shot breached their shields and knocked out the warp drive and their weapons. The second breached their hull and ejected people out into space. Ofc for some reason their phasers got magically fixed for the cinematic sequence at the end, but the point is made clear when a dozen or so, similar star ships warp into orbit around Vulcan later on in the film.

So it's a mining ship with weapons added, that would not be able to match the actual warships of the same era. True weapons ships do not fear modified mining ships LOL. suuuuuch faaaaaiiiil logic.... It BURNS MY BRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Spock carried all of this future technology into the past, and would be able to manifest it as needed, should it ever be needed. The rebels seemed to have done it with far less.


Maybe you have a size matters complex, and that is why you think bigger is always better no matter what?
It's ok, I hear if smaller people use it with better skill, most women won't notice.

The borg like to learn first about you when the meet you. Then after they learn enough about you, they try to absorb you. This is when the resistance is futile kicks in. If you refuse to be absorbed, they fight you until they force you to be absorbed into the borg collective.

So they would fly to earth, study it, then try to absorb it. They propably wouldn't fly straight there, then blow it up, no absorbtion of it.

Dear god.. What have I done.. I've created a never ending argument powered by sci-fi enthusiasts. OH THE HUMANITY