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Walking through walls. possible

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Andre II
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-02-04 01:12:21 UTC
So i was watching the History Channels "The Universe" and they were talking about magnetism and I got to thinking... It should be hypothetically possible to move through walls if we create a machine which can completely disrupt the magnetism of a selected area. For example lets say there is a door and you disrupt it's magnetism ie the magnetic field all the way to a subatomic level, then there would be nothing stopping you from freely entering an object and passing through it like water right? Well either that or it would completely disrupt the internal structure of the object all together and crumble it to dust? Please enlighten me, i want to know more.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-02-04 02:02:23 UTC
You need to bring up the command line and add noclipping=1

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Micheal Dietrich
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#3 - 2012-02-04 02:05:14 UTC
Its not disrupting, its causing all molecules to vibrate fast enough causing them t bounce off of each other. Or you could just type IDSPISPIDK.

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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#4 - 2012-02-04 02:13:19 UTC
First, you don't need a new thread every time you have a random thought from the same show.

That said, no, it doesn't work. First there's the tiny problem that it's the electric charges that matter, not the magnetic field. And even if you turn off all electromagnetic forces (which is purely magic, btw), there's the slight problem that you no longer have anything opposing gravity and keeping atoms, well, atoms instead of a giant ball of particles. As soon as you turned on your magic device, everything within range would collapse into a black hole.

If you want to walk through a wall by magic, just make a machine that controls randomness. It's theoretically possible to walk through a wall right now, it's just incredibly* unlikely that all of the spaces between your atoms and the wall's atoms will ever line up correctly. However, if you control randomness, it's a pretty trivial problem to fix.



*As in if you were to try walking through a wall constantly from now until the end of the universe, it's still incredibly unlikely that you would experience even the slightest success.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-02-04 02:23:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Andre II wrote:
So i was watching the History Channels "The Universe" and they were talking about magnetism and I got to thinking... It should be hypothetically possible to move through walls if we create a machine which can completely disrupt the magnetism of a selected area. For example lets say there is a door and you disrupt it's magnetism ie the magnetic field all the way to a subatomic level, then there would be nothing stopping you from freely entering an object and passing through it like water right? Well either that or it would completely disrupt the internal structure of the object all together and crumble it to dust? Please enlighten me, i want to know more.



Try to understand it like this...


IF you could generate a field of some kind that did what you describe (or what the history channel described was possible) then you would essentially be causing the molecules of a solid to behave (perhaps momentarily) like a liquid. In other words, you would have created a "liquefying field" that could turn a wall into a fluid.

Even though people imagine a kind of "Sci-Fi phasing" of a wall that could allow Captain Kirk to walk through it like so much Cheesy special effects, liquid matter is hardly a Sci-fi idea. If you made iron atoms move about themselves like liquid Iron, only without heat, then you would have basically lowered the temperature in which it becomes a fluid. it would flow like water (or mercury) and cover the ground like liquid mercury does, and thus, it would no longer be a wall.


Also

Merin Ryskin wrote:
It's theoretically possible to walk through a wall right now, it's just incredibly* unlikely that all of the spaces between your atoms and the wall's atoms will ever line up correctly.


Quoting completely imaginary, unproven and unsubstantiated nerdy bullshit. Chaos theory, quantum mechanics and the sheer number of particles inside both you and the wall make it so it is NEVER possible. It is like saying that two colanders can some how line up and pass through one another. Or two cheese graters.

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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#6 - 2012-02-04 02:44:08 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Quoting completely imaginary, unproven and unsubstantiated nerdy bullshit. Chaos theory, quantum mechanics and the sheer number of particles inside both you and the wall make it so it is NEVER possible. It is like saying that two colanders can some how line up and pass through one another. Or two cheese graters.


Congratulations on missing the point entirely. I very clearly said that this was a theoretical possibility that is effectively impossible in the real world. But I guess you're too busy trolling to realize that you just agreed with everything I said.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-02-04 02:57:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Quoting completely imaginary, unproven and unsubstantiated nerdy bullshit. Chaos theory, quantum mechanics and the sheer number of particles inside both you and the wall make it so it is NEVER possible. It is like saying that two colanders can some how line up and pass through one another. Or two cheese graters.


Congratulations on missing the point entirely. I very clearly said that this was a theoretical possibility that is effectively impossible in the real world. But I guess you're too busy trolling to realize that you just agreed with everything I said.


No my point was made clearly. It is not theoretically possibly, because theoretically possible in this instance means that it "could happen if the right conditions presented themselves" and the math also supported your claims to some degree. It is not theoretically possible, because it is 100% NOT possible under any circumstances in this universe from every real vantage point known to us.


Go write a star trek script. This way you can say that inverse tachyon beams can phase the walls and allow Picard to pass through the walls of the enterprise. Then you can say anything is theoretically possible that you want.

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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#8 - 2012-02-04 03:02:34 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
No my point was made clearly. It is not theoretically possibly, because theoretically possible in this instance means that it "could happen if the right conditions presented themselves". It is not theoretically possible, because it is 100% NOT possible under any circumstances in this universe.


Please go away until you learn the difference between "possible" and "probable".

It is physically possible to walk through a wall, if everything lined up properly. There is at least one configuration of particles which would allow it to happen, therefore the odds are non-zero.

It is NOT even remotely probable that this can happen because, as you said, the odds of everything lining up properly are so absurdly small that it rounds to zero.

Now, if you go back and read where I first mentioned this, I very clearly said that you could only do it if you had a magical randomness-altering machine.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-02-04 03:05:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Merin Ryskin wrote:

It is physically possible to walk through a wall, if everything lined up properly. There is at least one configuration of particles which would allow it to happen, therefore the odds are non-zero.



No it's not. You are ill advised and entirely inaccurate. I can't explain it better atm then referencing two pasta colanders being expected to "line up" and pass through one another. There is NO configuration EVER that would allow you to walk through a wall.

Only in your imaginary world could something like that happen.
If you say otherwise I suggest you site your source/sources.


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One that is actually backed up with something of substance. No tin foil hattery.


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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-02-04 03:08:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Merin Ryskin wrote:

Now, if you go back and read where I first mentioned this, I very clearly said that you could only do it if you had a magical randomness-altering machine.



Merin Ryskin wrote:
. It's theoretically possible to walk through a wall right now, it's just incredibly* unlikely that all of the spaces between your atoms and the wall's atoms will ever line up correctly...


You are lying.

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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#11 - 2012-02-04 03:21:26 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
You are lying.


And you're a dishonest troll. FFS, how about reading the entire paragraph? You know, where I start by saying "If you want to walk through a wall by magic, just make a machine that controls randomness.", and conclude the paragraph by stating that the magic machine is required to overcome the real-world limits that make it effectively impossible otherwise?
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-02-04 03:24:06 UTC
I quoted and underlined the part where you said "you can right now" and It can't be clearer. Your mention of a magical devise was a second idea after you stated that you could in theory RIGHT NOW.



What's wrong? Don't like being called out as the troll that you are?
I have news for you, even if you could manipulate randomness you STILL could not walk through a wall. Want to know why?

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-02-04 03:29:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
The reason why people think that “if the stars aligned just right” you could walk through a wall, is because of something called “quantum tunneling”. This is a weird effect that no one can explain, where particles pass through barriers without actually “moving through them” They seem to appear, disappear and reappear in random locations, when you look at them at a small enough scale. Your memory stick is actually based on this phenomena. It uses quantum tunneling to store information.


This effect makes people “think” that you can walk through a wall.

They then assume that if everything aligned properly you actually could, but this is an incorrect assumption stemming from an inherent lack of understanding of this phenomena.


Truth be told quantum tunneling happens all the time. In theory every time you touch and object, a wall, a desk, or even water… you exchange electrons electrostatically and we expect that some quantum tunneling also takes place. But it is at SUCH A SMALL SCALE and through SUCH A SMALL DISTANCE that you would have to measure the exchanges at an atomic scale. This principle cannot move a large mass of particles through another large mass of particles in tact, nor can it do it through great distances all at once. That is simply not the nature of this phenomena. Thus, even if you made a magical randomness generator like the troll Merin Ryskin suggests, you still could never walk through a wall.


It is simply not in the cards.


Leave the talking smart stuff to the professionals, Merin. Your "I read a collage book on it once" ranting does not compute.
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Kiroma Halandri
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-02-04 05:31:29 UTC
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