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Starter S4 raven fit?

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Kane Echerie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-09-18 11:58:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Kane Echerie
Hey :) I've just fitted this raven and I could do with a few pointers on what to do next. I have just under 4m SP (pretty much scattered everywhere Roll)

[Raven, L4]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Shield Booster II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

I'm training energy management to V so it becomes cap stable.

Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes. 

General Trajan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-09-18 13:29:07 UTC
i strongly suggest you don't take this into L4s at only 4 Mil sp. as you fave it fitted now it will be a ****-poor performer. i say wait until you're around 8 Mil sp with a focus on missile support skills, T2 medium/light drones and can use rigor rigs.

but if you must have to fly it now then over time when you can just take away a CCC rig and put a rigor rig in it's place to lower cruise missile cig radius to hit smaller-than-BC ships better. get a target painter on their when you can as well.

mxzf
Shovel Bros
#3 - 2011-09-18 15:05:18 UTC
Stupid forum ate my post, but I was smart and copied it before I tried to post, lol.

What you do next is go back to your Drake and grind some lvl 3 missions while you work on support skills. At 4M SP that's unfocussed you'll likely just loose your ship to a lvl 4. And make sure you have T2 drones before you try and fly a BS in a mission, you need them to take out the frigs that your missiles won't be able to hit.

But for the fit itself, drop a cap recharger, put in a Shield Boost Amp, and trade the Invul fields for racial hardeners for whatever rats you're facing (it's annoying to change them out sometimes, but it's worth it). Cap stability isn't all it's cracked up to be usually. If you are doing decent damage you won't need to tank for forever as you'll be killing the incoming DPS fast. I run lvl 4s sometimes in a Mael when I'm bored and with just under 2.5 min of cap life and with 416 sustained tank (the top number in EFT), I've never dropped below 50% cap (except when I forgot the booster and just left it running) or 75% shields.

Last, you seem to be working in EFT for that, I suggest adding damage profiles so you can tailor your tank to the rat better. The easy way to do this is to close EFT, browse to where the exe is, open config.ini, and paste the following into the bottom of the file and save. Afterwards you can re-open EFT and right click in the Defense area to see what your tank is like for various damage profiles.

DamageProfile=Gurista,0,570,3504,0
DamageProfile=Angel,480,0,719,3058
DamageProfile=Sansha,1945,1598,0,0
DamageProfile=Serpentis,0,1627,1320,0
DamageProfile=Blood raider,613,570,60,0
DamageProfile=Gallente federation,25,781,1127,0
DamageProfile=Minmatar republic,615,310,815,1633
DamageProfile=Amarr empire,1204,1349,0,0
DamageProfile=Caldari state,0,795,944,0
DamageProfile=EoM,0,618,1718,0
DamageProfile=Mercenaries,90,634,424,108
DamageProfile=Rogue Drones,86,91,281,964
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-09-18 19:16:22 UTC
You are going to die in that. Here is what going to happen. You will get scrammed by the rats. While trying to kill the scramming frigate or frigates, the cruisers+battlecruiser+bs will pound you into scrap.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Nocturnal Avenger
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-09-18 19:31:45 UTC
Drop a flux coil and replace with damage control.

Use mission specific hardeners instead

Bring at least 5 light drones to kill annoying scrambling frigates.

Pretty sure you can do L4 - but proceed with caution.
grumpyguts1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-09-18 20:53:50 UTC
Nocturnal Avenger wrote:
Drop a flux coil and replace with damage control.

Use mission specific hardeners instead

Pretty sure you can do L4 - but proceed with caution.


This, always fit mission specific when starting out.
Zmaychek2 Dragons1
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-09-18 20:59:34 UTC
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#8 - 2011-09-18 21:48:30 UTC
Here's a generic starter Raven:

[Raven, T1 launcher beginner raven]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

I'd highly suggest working from a template like that rather than trying to go for cap stability. With this, you use cap boosters to fuel your shield booster, which is set to not auto-repeat. The damage control gives you another few seconds to react in oh **** moments. The 3x rigor rigs and the target painter allow you to do significant damage to sub-BS targets (and do some truly nasty things to BCs -- which do more damage than most people give them credit for).

Obviously swap the hardeners based on the rats you'll be facing. The above is optimized for Guristas and Serpentis (except that you should be firing Wrath or Cataclysm at them).
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#9 - 2011-09-18 23:49:25 UTC
with 4 mill SP im supprised your even in a raven atm . there must be no support skills what so ever and cap is gunna die quickly , i woudlnt even attempt levels 4's untill you have some more SP on your char
Orlacc
#10 - 2011-09-19 06:04:01 UTC
Wait until you don't need so many fitting mods. Your fit is gimped to the point of doing level 3s

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#11 - 2011-09-19 06:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
I highly recommend an afterburner, as it makes nearly all level 4 missions trivial. Movement reduces the incoming damage, and allows you to stay outside the range (about 90 km) of all NPC battleships, other than Angels (they are fast).

I am a strong believer that you shouldn't use any battleship until you can T2 fit everything other than weapons and rigs. Having good drone skills, preferably T2, is also a must for dealing with frigates and spider drones. I lost my first Raven the day after I got it, but I've never lost another since.

I carry 15 cap booster charges in my cargo (5 in the module) and fill the rest of my cargo with cruise missiles. Depending on the missions, I usually run out of missiles after about 4-6 missions or so, or need to change the damage type. I never run out of cap charges before running out of missiles. I build my own cap charges, as the BPO and minerals (from reprocessed mission junk loot) are easier to haul around. All you need is Industry 1 and an assembly line.

I don't bother with a target painter unless using T2 missiles.

I've also done the Caldari epic arc, Penumbra, with this Raven fit.

FYI, I started doing level 4 missions in a Drake. I did them all in a Drake before later graduating to a Raven.

[Raven, Basic vs. Guristas]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Signal Amplifier II

100MN Afterburner II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster

[empty high slot]
Small Tractor Beam I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Xavier Linx
Omni Research
#12 - 2011-09-19 13:58:47 UTC
Level 4 missions aren't economically viable in a BS.

The mission rewarda are hardly high enough to pay for the ammo., much less for the ship. It's better to use a BC or HAC and run level 3's. The difference is simply that you will use cheaper ammo and have less risk of losing the ship. The only reason to run lv 4 missions is if you need the LP's and/or the much faster standing increase.

If you persist on running lv4 missions in a Raven (or other T1 BS): Calculate on loosing it.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-09-19 17:06:41 UTC
Xavier Linx wrote:
Level 4 missions aren't economically viable in a BS.

The mission rewarda are hardly high enough to pay for the ammo., much less for the ship. It's better to use a BC or HAC and run level 3's. The difference is simply that you will use cheaper ammo and have less risk of losing the ship. The only reason to run lv 4 missions is if you need the LP's and/or the much faster standing increase.

If you persist on running lv4 missions in a Raven (or other T1 BS): Calculate on loosing it.

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Trolls keep on trolling

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-09-19 17:09:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Caleidascope
delete please

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Kane Echerie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-09-19 18:56:55 UTC
Cheers for the replies :) I think I'll leave S4's for the mean time and ago back to my drake..

Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes.