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Market Scrubs on the Rise

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Utemetsu
#1 - 2012-01-31 17:36:15 UTC
Now I'll be the first to admit that I know far less than I should.

However, with the apparant rise in PLEX since my last sub (approx, 100mil/plex), I'm seeing more and more people with things they shouldn't have, purchased through PLEX, and they attempt to post here; and righteously denied.

Keep up the good work fellas. I remember when MD was still EBank and Bond Heaven.

On a side note, anything interesting that I missed in the last year?
Shar Tegral
#2 - 2012-01-31 18:06:59 UTC
Utemetsu wrote:
On a side note, anything interesting that I missed in the last year?

Same old ****, different packaging.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#3 - 2012-01-31 18:39:37 UTC
Shar Tegral wrote:
Utemetsu wrote:
On a side note, anything interesting that I missed in the last year?

Same old ****, different packaging.


NO NO !!

This is entirely new #@!&

From a new pile and in new packaging with all the new bells and whistles,


It just smells, looks, and works, so much like the old #@!& that there is very little difference.

Zeta Zhul
Preemptive Paranoia
#4 - 2012-02-01 18:14:15 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Shar Tegral wrote:
Utemetsu wrote:
On a side note, anything interesting that I missed in the last year?

Same old ****, different packaging.


NO NO !!

This is entirely new #@!&

From a new pile and in new packaging with all the new bells and whistles,


It just smells, looks, and works, so much like the old #@!& that there is very little difference.



Is that why MD smells like stale beer & cheese?
anarll
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-02-01 20:36:20 UTC
Utemetsu wrote:
Now I'll be the first to admit that I know far less than I should.

However, with the apparant rise in PLEX since my last sub (approx, 100mil/plex), I'm seeing more and more people with things they shouldn't have, purchased through PLEX, and they attempt to post here; and righteously denied.

Keep up the good work fellas. I remember when MD was still EBank and Bond Heaven.

On a side note, anything interesting that I missed in the last year?



lols
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-02-03 22:16:34 UTC
Work IRL for 1 hour and have enough ISK to play the game however you want > Work in game for several hours/days to have enough ISK to do what ever you want.

For market people a lot of you sure don't understand opportunity cost :|

Ferox #1

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#7 - 2012-02-04 00:35:18 UTC
Utemetsu wrote:
Now I'll be the first to admit that I know far less than I should.

However, with the apparant rise in PLEX since my last sub (approx, 100mil/plex), I'm seeing more and more people with things they shouldn't have, purchased through PLEX, and they attempt to post here; and righteously denied.

Keep up the good work fellas. I remember when MD was still EBank and Bond Heaven.

On a side note, anything interesting that I missed in the last year?


Only new thing you missed last year was the most "openly against-making money" initiative ever posted on MD: a charity.
Scion Lex
LEX Investments
#8 - 2012-02-05 04:34:01 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
Work IRL for 1 hour and have enough ISK to play the game however you want > Work in game for several hours/days to have enough ISK to do what ever you want.

For market people a lot of you sure don't understand opportunity cost :|


Interesting point. Depends on your definition of fun and the concept of 'accomplishment'. I could drop an hours pay on the game. Hell I could drop a weeks pay on the game if I wanted. That might be fun for awhile but it doesnt offer the same sense of accomplishment. Which in turn, for me, is equal part of the fun of eve. Buying your way through only hurts you, imo. Its what you learn in the process of working through problems that will make you a better player...another goal of mine.
Jan VanRijkdom
House VanRijkdom Trading Conglomerate
#9 - 2012-02-06 02:10:52 UTC
Scion Lex wrote:
Kietay Ayari wrote:
Work IRL for 1 hour and have enough ISK to play the game however you want > Work in game for several hours/days to have enough ISK to do what ever you want.

For market people a lot of you sure don't understand opportunity cost :|


Interesting point. Depends on your definition of fun and the concept of 'accomplishment'. I could drop an hours pay on the game. Hell I could drop a weeks pay on the game if I wanted. That might be fun for awhile but it doesnt offer the same sense of accomplishment. Which in turn, for me, is equal part of the fun of eve. Buying your way through only hurts you, imo. Its what you learn in the process of working through problems that will make you a better player...another goal of mine.



Well said.

.

Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
#10 - 2012-02-06 02:43:06 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
Work IRL for 1 hour and have enough ISK to play the game however you want > Work in game for several hours/days to have enough ISK to do what ever you want.

For market people a lot of you sure don't understand opportunity cost :|


I played a lot of P2W games before, mostly originating from Asia - where a kind of "Why work for it in game when I can pay for it with real cash" mentality seems prevalent in the gaming community. So, buy pimped out characters/overpowered equipment and refines, run around and pwn all those poor, foolish noobs for a bit....Then what? Damn, this game is boring. /sell char go pay for another game. And the cycle continues.

I play the same P2W games, have fun starting out noobish with not a gold piece to my name, have to figure out ways to earn that same cash, those same items. Corner a market, buy out a competitor, consolidate my monopoly, diversify into similar markets. It's all fun that I derive from the game that I wouldn't have appreciated if I'd just taken the RL cash way out. At the end of it, I've squeezed the most fun out of a single game where most other people bore and switch in a never-ending cycle, where the only fun they find's the level grind, and the brief euphoria of pwnage that kind of wears thin after a while when you don't get any real challenge.

I think many other EVE players have said that the challenge is the game. I couldn't agree more. It's such challenges to earn ISK, to develop and grow from ground up in a harsh universe that makes the game so intensely fun, and satisfying. So yes, there's opportunity cost involved by earning ISKies in game as opposed to just working IRL and buying a PLEX for quick money. But that equation is incomplete, as it fails to take into account the myriad of features and possibilities of earning ISK in a game, that could very well be part of the fun as well. Sure, for some people such features are boring, but a good number of us actively enjoy utilizing them. It's not a failure to appreciate opportunity cost that drives us to earn ISK in-game, but more that we've weighed both sides and came down far more heavily on this side of the equation.

That's not even including the subtle benefit of skills and temperament you pick up while playing in the game that may be useful in your RL endeavours one day, but that's another story.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#11 - 2012-02-07 00:49:23 UTC
Scion Lex wrote:
Kietay Ayari wrote:
Work IRL for 1 hour and have enough ISK to play the game however you want > Work in game for several hours/days to have enough ISK to do what ever you want.

For market people a lot of you sure don't understand opportunity cost :|


Interesting point. Depends on your definition of fun and the concept of 'accomplishment'. I could drop an hours pay on the game. Hell I could drop a weeks pay on the game if I wanted. That might be fun for awhile but it doesnt offer the same sense of accomplishment. Which in turn, for me, is equal part of the fun of eve. Buying your way through only hurts you, imo. Its what you learn in the process of working through problems that will make you a better player...another goal of mine.


Depends what you're trying to accomplish right? Do you really think someone feels a sense of accomplishment for grinding out a couple hundred L4 missions?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Nuela
WoT Misfits
#12 - 2012-02-07 14:37:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Nuela
Scion Lex wrote:
Kietay Ayari wrote:
Work IRL for 1 hour and have enough ISK to play the game however you want > Work in game for several hours/days to have enough ISK to do what ever you want.

For market people a lot of you sure don't understand opportunity cost :|


Interesting point. Depends on your definition of fun and the concept of 'accomplishment'. I could drop an hours pay on the game. Hell I could drop a weeks pay on the game if I wanted. That might be fun for awhile but it doesnt offer the same sense of accomplishment. Which in turn, for me, is equal part of the fun of eve. Buying your way through only hurts you, imo. Its what you learn in the process of working through problems that will make you a better player...another goal of mine.


Here Here!

I could never understand it myself...if you bring in stuff from the outside world to help you in game...have you accomplished anything? To each her own but I don't think so.

To a lesser extent, I feel the same in reverse. To take in-game assets out of the game (by buying Plex) seems to be cheating your toon.
Marsan
#13 - 2012-02-07 23:59:34 UTC
I don't buy plex but it seems to me Eve rewards me inversely for my effort.

PVP- Really hard and I lose money in the end.

Mining- Boring, and easy but I can watch hulu while doing it. Decent isk if it doesn't use time I would normal be doing something else.

Playing the Market- Mildly interesting, and not very hard, but given a little patience a great money maker.

PI- Boring, but even lazy PI can make good isk outside HS. In HS it's really easy isk, but not as good.

Mission/site running- Mildly interesting with friends, but boring solo. Moderate rewards.

Data Cores- Free isk for auto-piloting around every few months.


My wallet balance is always inverse of the risk I'm taking. If I'm actively pvping I lose isk. If I'm running sites or missioning I'm making good isk. If I sit in station and play with the market I'm racking isk in. So it's hard for me to buy the pride argument when it comes to isk.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.

Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#14 - 2012-02-08 01:58:14 UTC
I think I might be forced to quit the market game. Every time I try and corner the skill book market some bot puts a bunch more up for sale. it's costing me a fortune Cry
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#15 - 2012-02-08 03:44:12 UTC
Skydell wrote:
I think I might be forced to quit the market game. Every time I try and corner the skill book market some bot puts a bunch more up for sale. it's costing me a fortune Cry


If you don't mind me asking, where are you trading?
BabySeal Clubber
KittehsofDoOoOoM
#16 - 2012-02-08 15:59:06 UTC
Skydell wrote:
I think I might be forced to quit the market game. Every time I try and corner the skill book market some bot puts a bunch more up for sale. it's costing me a fortune Cry



Try not to "corner a market" then if your losing money. Instead of a full on product assault, try something more subtle like a little tickle here, and a little tickle there. You'd be surprised how much they add up fast if you chose the right 'places' to tickle.
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#17 - 2012-02-10 05:24:31 UTC
BabySeal Clubber wrote:
Try not to "corner a market" then if your losing money. Instead of a full on product assault, try something more subtle like a little tickle here, and a little tickle there. You'd be surprised how much they add up fast if you chose the right 'places' to tickle.


That might have gotten past the filters but I know dirty talk when I see it.