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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#21 - 2012-02-01 01:44:23 UTC
I've mined in Low sec.

Make safe spots on either side of the asteroid belt(s)
You scout ahead with a ship and pick the asteroids you want in the belt. (fast small ship, minor tank, and a survey scanner) making positioned bookmarks to mine them.
These bookmarks should allow you to be moving towards a safe spot at all times at 75% speed.
Once you get too far away from the roid reverse course to the opposite safe spot. (repeat until hold is full).
Fit enough tank to handle the rats, bring drones to kill them if they get too bad.
If you kill rats pop the wrecks to avoid advertising your presence anymore than needed.
When someone enters local, move to safe spot and start to D-scan, don't stay in the belt to wait and see what they do.
If you see combat probes move to safe spots away from the belts.
If they don't leave then dock up.
If you feel the need to jet can make sure to do so at a nearby safespot.
Make sure to have an instant warp out point from the operating station.
Be prepared to run and hide a lot.

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2012-02-01 01:44:25 UTC
minanet wrote:
If any of u experienced miners had to do a low sec mining op.
How would u do it, how would u set it up?


Not sure what your 'point' might be trying to be, but if I were considering a lowsec belt mining op I would approach it by hoping someone sensible talked me out of it ... perhaps suggesting ninja-mining w-space instead.

By and large the risk:return on lowsec mining is just not worth it. Sure, there are special situations where it might be ok ... but you may as well mine hisec.

It may seem bizarre but IMO w-space mining, well managed, is lower risk and the return is much, much better. In w-space there are no asteroid belt beacons that just anyone can warp to. To hassle you someone needs to either get some probes out, or have the locations already bookmarked, or to bubble the wormhole and catch you there ... in each situation you usually get more warning than at a lowsec belt. Of course lowsec mining is fairly safe while there is absolutely no-one else in the system.

IMO the main use for lowsec ore belts is that they provide rats for ppl wanting to buff their sec-status a bit ... but the nullsec rats are better for that too.

Grav sigs in lowsec are a slightly better proposition, but they are not that common. At least at a grav site, like those in w-space, someone needs to scan you down or to already have the site scanned down if they're wanting to come gank you. Still, even the better empire grav sites are not great compared to the lower-end w-space ones.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
ink haktek
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-02-01 09:37:03 UTC
my idea of mining in low sec: kill the miner then take his ore :)
Heredom
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-02-01 14:01:51 UTC
Well, you and your pals coud try mining in Nenna, how'bout that? It's preety cozy here... Lots of belts!

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Annie Anomie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-02-02 01:06:45 UTC
I would do it AFK in top belt Nisuwa.
Ehn Roh
#26 - 2012-02-02 18:48:11 UTC
The only reason to mine in Lowsec that isn't blatantly crazy is for the purpose of manufacturing goods and selling them locally, and even then you're better off getting most of your minerals by melting rat loot. This is assuming it's not just safer to haul in goods or mterials. I don't think there is a point if you have a blockade runner or if you're making lots of ISK and can jump the stuff in.
Khadrea Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
#27 - 2012-02-03 08:51:04 UTC
Your reasons to go mining in lowsec are not our concern.

- pick a dead end system
- scout it (bookmarks, at range to gate, safespots, mining spots away from belt warp-ins, etc.)
- cyno in Rorqual
- erect tower (medium)
- bring in miners in shuttles
- board Covetors (5) from Rorqual
- place cloaked scout on gate(s)
- mine
- compress
- be alert

Good luck.
Tjemjak
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#28 - 2012-02-03 11:37:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tjemjak
Kessiaan wrote:
Katherine Starlight wrote:
mining belts in lowsec is outright sucide.
If even considered dear god do spawn some nice grav sites to our brave miners.


Back in my mining days I used to mine Gneiss in lowsec grav sites pretty regularly. Was pretty good ISK actually. But I was smart about it and watched my d-scan like a hawk.

These days you can do the same thing in wormhole grav sites and make way more money mining A/B/C ores.


one guy who has to say such interesting.

if one could say such about the relationship of system sec status and the ore in it, this threat could start to make sence.

thx
Tjemjak
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#29 - 2012-02-03 12:34:57 UTC
Khadrea Shakor wrote:
Your reasons to go mining in lowsec are not our concern.

- pick a dead end system
- scout it (bookmarks, at range to gate, safespots, mining spots away from belt warp-ins, etc.)
- cyno in Rorqual
- erect tower (medium)
- bring in miners in shuttles
- board Covetors (5) from Rorqual
- place cloaked scout on gate(s)
- mine
- compress
- be alert

Good luck.




also be careful with dead end systems. there are attractive for a reason. means often the neighborhood is even more nasty then the traffic would be.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#30 - 2012-02-03 16:30:19 UTC
My old corp had an ongoing mining op in lowsec for two months. It was great...until we realized we couldn't manage the flow of ore through the 4-jump pipe into highsec. Lowsec station refining efficiency penalties need to be dropped.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Tjemjak
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#31 - 2012-02-03 16:40:12 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
My old corp had an ongoing mining op in lowsec for two months. It was great...until we realized we couldn't manage the flow of ore through the 4-jump pipe into highsec. Lowsec station refining efficiency penalties need to be dropped.


interesting, how did u guys mine? with lots of pvp support and camping gates? or rather using all pilots for mining and dock up if local gets busy?

3 jumps to make sounds not impossible to me.
Devil tiger
#32 - 2012-02-03 22:07:05 UTC
My advice:

Get a cruiser and rat until hauler spawn appears, kill it and loot the 3mil ore from it.
WeiLing TCG
Mineski Infinity
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2012-02-04 18:02:26 UTC  |  Edited by: WeiLing TCG
Sorry in advance if I mention anything mentioned already.

Well to avoid gankers, think like one. Most lowsec pirates (me) are (relatively) lazy people who like to roam around a central home system.

Use scouts always. One does not simply lemming a hulk into lowsec.

Try choosing a system thats in a dead end pocket on a branch off a pipe. That way most roamers simply traverse the pipe, often passing over the branches. Also, those said branches are easier to scout, having only one entrance/exit (barring wormholes).

Another tactic is to get cushy with the local pirates or even become one yourself. Its not hard to negotiate some kind of deal, cheaper ships/mods in return for leaving you alone.

Also, do not convince yourself that you can protect your mining operation. You will not be able to. Do not delude yourself by having a gang with you. With the proliferation of capitals, hotdrops are fairly common, and that orca is a juicy target indeed, said gang not able to help out when said hotdrop happens. Point is, people can always bring more. Your safety is reliant on stealth, and having more people in system and undocked will show up on the star map like a sore thumb, and people (like me) will come knocking. If you must have a ship with you, take a falcon.

Another thing: keep your operations mobile and flexible. Do not have an elaborate pos system setup thats time consuming to setup and take down. Keep it simple so that if you find you are being afk camped by people (like me) your operations are not halted.

Try as much as possible to do grav sites (when profitable). You will find an inordinate number of people looking for kills but not having been fit with probe launchers.

One that really gets to me: if trouble comes knocking in the form of a gang, be douchebags and undock a fantastic number of falcons and carriers and dps ships and sit on the undock and fondle everyone. They'll take the hint.

Warp disruptor range is about 24km, overheated 28.8. Try to position your fleet at a distance further than that from the belt warp in. And if you must have an orca in the belt, have it be 100MN MWD fit so you can warp it off in 10 seconds. Do not put the rorqual in the belt.

Once, again apologies if anything has been said before or if I mentioned something that would be unviable given your conditions.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#34 - 2012-02-04 21:15:54 UTC
Low sec mining is posible and here is how:

1. You want a corp that manufactures and has pvp.

2. Corp needs to live in low sec. (( Sec status issues ))

3. System being mined needs to be a dead end system.

4. Own the entire area. (( Clear all others from your 2-3 systems ))

5. Have your pvp camp the entrance to your area. (( Hopefully choke point is two jumps out ))

Simply put you need to be a low sec pirate corp that manufactures it's own goods to make mining in low sec worth it.


Orca's can and should be used when opperating in this fashion.
Keeping a good ecm ship with the mining fleet is a good idea.
Station in system is a must.
Caramba789
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-02-05 11:36:22 UTC
Scan down an exploration mining site. It is hidden and takes time to prob you out rather then being jumped in a belt:).
Once you see probes of any kind you pick it up and dock up.
So yes you can mine in piece in low sec but not in a regular belt. On the up side there are enough hidden ladar sites to keep you happy as hardly nobody mines them.
GL in your advantures and my the force be with you.
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