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Hisec vs Nullsec for Casual Player? Which has more isk?
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Lazarus Sparrow
#1 - 2011-09-17 17:53:03 UTC
Hello,

I'm going to be playing Eve Online more casually in the future, and was wondering where I should go to maximize my isk income. Is staying in hisec a good idea? Or should I try to go into nullsec? (I don't know much about nullsec, though.)

Does anyone have any advice?

Thank you for your time.
Flakey Foont
#2 - 2011-09-17 18:16:01 UTC
EVE is an environment of risk/reward. Hence much more Isk in null.
Raendel
#3 - 2011-09-17 18:54:31 UTC
For you, low-sec and null-sec will be good for losing ships and pods (and thus, ISK).

Unless you're in a strong Corp, going into null-sec is pretty pointless.

Low-sec is iffy depending on your ship/skills, etc.

But, being "casual", good luck getting into any good Corp.

Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, although I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
Lazarus Sparrow
#4 - 2011-09-17 18:59:38 UTC
Raendel wrote:
For you, low-sec and null-sec will be good for losing ships and pods (and thus, ISK).

Unless you're in a strong Corp, going into null-sec is pretty pointless.

Low-sec is iffy depending on your ship/skills, etc.

But, being "casual", good luck getting into any good Corp.


Lazarus Sparrow isn't my main. My main has about 18 m skill points. Most of it is in industrial skills, some of it is in combat skills. But I guess, as you say, my biggest limiting factor is that I'll be playing casually.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#5 - 2011-09-17 19:03:16 UTC
For a really CASUAL player, lowsec, w-space and any 0.0 usually leads to a LOSS of ISK, so the answer is simple : highsec.
For a less casual player, w-space or maybe NPC 0.0 could be better.
For a more involved player, w-space and alliance-controlled 0.0 are usually best.

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Kesshisan
#6 - 2011-09-17 19:28:00 UTC
Akita T wrote:
For a really CASUAL player, lowsec, w-space and any 0.0 usually leads to a LOSS of ISK, so the answer is simple : highsec.


This isn't 100% true. You can find null corps which don't have CTAs and don't require operation participation in null and being a casual player you can reap the rewards of null with minimal risk.

I still believe high sec is better for casuals, but I acknowledge that it is possible for a casual player to get more isk out of null sec.
Sassums
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#7 - 2011-09-17 19:37:19 UTC
I have found that the income from Wormhole space is very nice, even if you are not on all the time.

Just being on to run a few sites or do some mining, and you make a good amount of isk.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#8 - 2011-09-18 03:09:33 UTC
I hear that hisec incursions pay well, much better than doing missions, and you can join a pick-up fleet.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#9 - 2011-09-18 03:32:51 UTC
Kesshisan wrote:
Akita T wrote:
For a really CASUAL player, lowsec, w-space and any 0.0 usually leads to a LOSS of ISK, so the answer is simple : highsec.

This isn't 100% true. You can find null corps which don't have CTAs and don't require operation participation in null and being a casual player you can reap the rewards of null with minimal risk.
I still believe high sec is better for casuals, but I acknowledge that it is possible for a casual player to get more isk out of null sec

That's why I said "usually" Blink
Granted, you can probably find a relatively casuals-friendly 0.0 entity, but they're getting rarer and rarer these days, and even if you do manage to find one, chances are, when push comes to shove (and it will eventually happen), your chance of actually getting needed help (both in time and effectively, that is) will be much smaller than as a member of a casuals-unfriendly 0.0 entity.
Statistically speaking, you need to be quite lucky to manage to make more ISK there than in highsec, given similar effort levels applied.

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-09-18 12:04:45 UTC
People don't go to 0.0 in order to make ISK. People go to 0.0 when they get bored of making ISK.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#11 - 2011-09-18 18:28:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
I am a casual player (about 1 hour daily, a few more on weekends) and there is no way I could earn more money in nullsec than i do in hisec.

Log in, run a L4, blow stuff, earn anything between 5 to 30 million ISK in an hour, log out. No hassles, no wasted time, low risk.

The only real issue is that once you get a meatgrinder BS, anything else you can do in a casual way is gonna harm your income...

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
foksieloy
Rockets ponies and rainbows
#12 - 2011-09-19 11:26:34 UTC
Since scamming potential in nulsec/lowsec is much lower than in highsec, you earn more isk in highsec. :>

Note: Trading is a subsection of scamming.

Disclaimer: I do not actually play this game, I just forum warrior.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-09-19 18:11:34 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
I am a casual player (about 1 hour daily, a few more on weekends) and there is no way I could earn more money in nullsec than i do in hisec.

Log in, run a L4, blow stuff, earn anything between 5 to 30 million ISK in an hour, log out. No hassles, no wasted time, low risk.

The only real issue is that once you get a meatgrinder BS, anything else you can do in a casual way is gonna harm your income...

What do you use the ISK you make for?
Pharos Pharos
Nephilim Industries
#14 - 2011-09-19 21:36:22 UTC
Playtime has nothing to do with the viability of null versus highsec, but rather what you know about the game. If you know what you're doing NPC null is one of the most casual friendly places there is - the number 1 complaint about running missions in null is that you've gotta dock up and wait when probes come out/someone is camping you/you're being hunted, but for a casual player that's the perfect time to go make dinner and come back. Usually, if I'm being camped they'll get bored about the time I'm ready to pull the chicken off the grill, and I can sit down with a beer and get back to business or reship and try to fight if I'm feeling it.

Proper game knowledge and caution can mitigate 90% of the risks of NPC null, and an alt mitigates another 90% of those. If you're super cautious and never sloppy, it's very very hard to die. I've frequently gone afk in mission and don't scout gates etc. and have almost never had a problem with it - and I'm not blue to the local population. Though activity can vary by area, in general you can make anywhere work as a casual player. Game knowledge, rather than any alliance membership or playtime limitations, is key.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#15 - 2011-09-20 10:22:23 UTC
Lazarus Sparrow wrote:
Hello,

I'm going to be playing Eve Online more casually in the future, and was wondering where I should go to maximize my isk income. Is staying in hisec a good idea? Or should I try to go into nullsec? (I don't know much about nullsec, though.)

Does anyone have any advice?

Thank you for your time.


Are you actually any good at EVE?

If so, you will make much more ISK in 0.0

If not, stay in hi-sec as your losses will be far lower.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ruban Spangler
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#16 - 2011-09-20 11:21:25 UTC
If you are flying solo you should stick with highsec. Minimal losses but maximum boredom. Plenty of 0% tax corps out there supporting missioners.

If you join a 0.0 corp which holds or has access to sovereign space you will make easy isk running anomalies, plexing and ratting. Comes with more risk and is a million times more interesting that highsec. Lower skilled pilots benefit from 'safe' 0.0 as you can take on only the rats your ship can handle. - all very corp dependent and pvp participation will be expected.

W Space. I know nothing about it, but I note that everyone who does it is stinking rich.
GazBoi08
x13
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2011-09-20 11:38:26 UTC
ratting and plexing in null will make more isk/hour than missioning (for example i can make up to 40mil/hour ratting in my drake and thats not including loot and salvage) its just the factor of getting into a null alliance that holds sov of systems
Zephyrus II
Cardboard Enterprises
#18 - 2011-09-20 16:28:34 UTC
On the other hand, incursions in hisec make more than that, and incursions in lowsec make EVEN MORE. If you can get on a roll with a good fleet, 100m/hr + is not uncommon.
Fuel McDrag'nDrop
Critically Disrupted.
#19 - 2011-09-20 18:58:46 UTC
Hisec and nullsec are both boring. Hisec is just mindless carebearland and nullsec is desolate except for random botters and thousand man blobs.

W-space is where the game is
Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#20 - 2011-09-21 10:13:10 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
People don't go to 0.0 in order to make ISK. People go to 0.0 when they get bored of making ISK.


Lol - this somewhat true. Unless you are a DRF "being".
While ratting, or running anomalies gives you plenty is - it becomes pretty boring in the end. And the risk is that you are limited to a small set of 0.0 systems that you know fairly well. Outside of that you risk hostiles in sov null or low sec.
And as someone said, being too casual in null is getting frowned upon now adays.

I'd stay in high sec if I were casual.
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