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how to kill a hulk solo in high sec

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#41 - 2012-02-02 15:34:07 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Hulks are a little tougher, but killing 3 per Tornado is not particularly difficult, especially if you know what their tank looks like.




This is UTTER BS. Show API verified kilmail or it's not real..........................

Oh, and YOU need better support after ganking my Mack last year and I was able to loot and salvage MY OWN MACK with Orca as they were way too slow or something. Roll I came out 5 Mill on the POSITIVE side after Insurance.

BTW, the ONLY way you got me was hitting me while I was fighting rats and distracted.

"Let's kill...even obvious Non-bots".




Cry moar minebear

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#42 - 2012-02-02 15:55:08 UTC
Lex Fasces wrote:
so i see your tactics. you are using groups of 2 guns? or getting a second volley off with groups of 4. although in a 0.7 you probably wont get a second volley which means you are more liely to be going 4 groups of 2 guns. and you pop stuff at the same time meaning volleys off within 5 seconds of eachother.

question is:

how are you making money off this? a nado fit up like yours is costing around 70-80m.

if you only pop 3 then you are still gonna lose a lot of isk simply because t2 salvage isnt guaranteed...

we popped 5 macks yesterday and not a single one dropped t2 salvage. my alt has t1 salvagers with salvage 4 and 3 rigs on though. do you get an increased chance of t2 salvage by having level 5 and t2 salvagers? or does it just make it faster to get the chance...


I, indeed split my guns into two groups of 4x. That certainly helps. You can lock two targets, hit one, if it pops, just hit #2. Otherwise, the second group finishes of the first target.

Good way to set it up, because sometimes you manage 25-50% bonus damage due to hit quality and can occasionally kill even Hulks with just four guns.

That said....that is only half of the equation. There is more to it - the Tornado has other admirable traits, work on it, you'll figure it out. Just not interested in spelling it out - as CCP has methodically nerfed just about every other aspect of 'ninja salvaging/ganking' in recent months. Roll

Yes, the Tornado fit costs about 70-80m.
However, you get half of the mods back. +20M.
Hulks and Macks generally drop between 5 and 10M in mods. +20M

T2 Salvage, while not guaranteed, often drops 20M Intact Plates.
There is also a circuit board worth around 4M/each.
Each Mack has a chance of dropping between 0 and 3. (+0 to +180M)

If you get 3 plates, you clear a pretty nice profit, and you could easily get more (or less) than that.
Point is, yes, the ganking itself is profitable.

I also threaten the miners, and many pay to be left alone. Raised about 3.2 Billion doing this in the last 3 weeks.
If they don't pay, you use a tracking agent/addressbook to find them and pop them again - and again. Makes for a nice laugh.

So,
A) inflict HUNDREDS of millions in ISK in disproportional damage on miners.
B) Get KMs - and pod KMs if the are AFK (or hit by a SB attack)
C) Earn ISK doing it? Sign me up.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#43 - 2012-02-02 16:30:54 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:

You are the one that was obviously upset about it, as you scream about it everytime I post on the subject.



This is the FIRST time. Liar. As usual.

BTW, the Naga pops the Macks MUCH faster.

only a ******* moron uses a naga to kill macks

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#44 - 2012-02-02 17:29:13 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:


I think i puzzled out your other trick and it is extremely brilliant if it's what I think it is, thanks for this.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#45 - 2012-02-02 17:53:58 UTC

@Weaselior:

Yeah, I think most serious Hulk gankers should be able to figure it out - and I hope, take full advantage of it.

I want miners to burn brightly - especially after all the ****** up carebear-coddling mechanic changes lately.

Rather nice for us that Low Friction Nozzle Rigs are so cheap. I'm not sure CCP fully understood what they were doing when they put Tempest Alpha on a BC hull, and what that means for ganking.

It nicely balances out the 'insurance' nerf though.
Mods Muvila
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-02-02 18:32:36 UTC
Use a Velator:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14858034
You hilarious feathered creature.
Dimitri Jackal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-02-03 01:02:14 UTC
So, with regards to soloing hulks, macks, and ganks in general, I'm curious about the following scenario:

Lets say I find a friend/alt in a salvage boat to come along with me. First, I get in a noobship and shoot them, causing concord to come destroy my reaper (sad day). Now, I warp to a BM in the middle of nowhere, where I have left a Tornado fitted for ganking hulks.

Since I already have GCC, will concord destroy me if I board my new ship?
If not, will they be slower to respond when I start ganking if I ALREADY have GCC?

To recap, once in a pod, can I switch ships with global aggression, and will that help my gank/allow me to gank more ships before getting blown up again?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#48 - 2012-02-03 01:33:56 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:


I want miners to burn brightly - especially after all the ****** up carebear-coddling mechanic changes lately.





Right. Like Tier 3 Cruisers. I am SOOOOOOO coddled.

B S

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Aggressive Nutmeg
#49 - 2012-02-03 02:13:15 UTC
Frillo Teslar wrote:
Ubiquitous Forum Alt wrote:
Aqriue wrote:
**** miners, have NPC seed minerals at outragous prices to create a new isk sink and remove exhumers from game. Problem solved. No more lossing your expensive paper thin tank ships which the only reason to fly them is to act the part of a goat tied down to an asteroid field and just die (like that scene from Jurrasic Park), no more easier KM padding and you hurt their precious gamer score because they now have to play the game on more then Hello Kitty Mode for easy kills.


I wasn't even aware that Hello Kitty *had* a PvP mode....let alone one where you could easily rampage through and slaughter other players on a whim.....Shocked


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dYI_S0vDU8

Looks awesome...

Don't cancel your Eve subscription just yet. I hear WIS is not too far away.

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
Aggressive Nutmeg
#50 - 2012-02-03 02:15:38 UTC
Mods Muvila wrote:
Use a Velator:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14858034

Damage received: 4,486

Big smileBig smileBig smile

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#51 - 2012-02-03 05:23:26 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:


I want miners to burn brightly - especially after all the ****** up carebear-coddling mechanic changes lately.





Right. Like Tier 3 Cruisers. I am SOOOOOOO coddled.

B S


No, no. They are being coddled. Remember, I made up all those KMs. Thats your story right? You might as well stick to it.
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#52 - 2012-02-03 06:03:41 UTC
Use an alt With a ship scanner scan them see what their packing. run it thro eft check out it on all level V. skills see what lowest resist is. etc. and walla.
Mods Muvila
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-02-03 17:58:28 UTC
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
Mods Muvila wrote:
Use a Velator:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14858034

Damage received: 4,486

Big smileBig smileBig smile


He had half armor when to started to shoot him. I guess he doesnt know how repairs work.
You hilarious feathered creature.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#54 - 2012-02-03 19:20:24 UTC
Lost in Latari could be a wonderful follow-up to Lost in La Mancha.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Dimitri Jackal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-02-03 19:41:25 UTC
Dimitri Jackal wrote:
So, with regards to soloing hulks, macks, and ganks in general, I'm curious about the following scenario:

Lets say I find a friend/alt in a salvage boat to come along with me. First, I get in a noobship and shoot them, causing concord to come destroy my reaper (sad day). Now, I warp to a BM in the middle of nowhere, where I have left a Tornado fitted for ganking hulks.

Since I already have GCC, will concord destroy me if I board my new ship?
If not, will they be slower to respond when I start ganking if I ALREADY have GCC?

To recap, once in a pod, can I switch ships with global aggression, and will that help my gank/allow me to gank more ships before getting blown up again?




Ok, I ran the test - you CANNOT BOARD A SHIP if you have GCC. Damn.
Ravenesa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-02-03 21:57:36 UTC
There is always the time tested DiscoPhoon for the idiots that group together. Of course you pop pods, sometimes wrecks, etc, but nothing blows your sec status away faster!!
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
#57 - 2012-02-03 22:37:55 UTC
Am I the only one that finds it ironic that people criticize miners for doing something that makes little isk by engaging in an activity, IE ganking miners, that makes even less ISK per hour than the miners do?
Harlot Hohannson
Eye on Wang Poo
#58 - 2012-02-04 12:10:48 UTC
somneone need to stop these hulk kills too easy and not very sporting
Caldari Citizen 786478786
#59 - 2012-02-04 13:16:54 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Don't bother if they have 2 Meta (X) Invulns and 5 Shield Rep Drones buzzing about from the support Orca. ';;'

This actually applies to Macks as well, as 'someone' recently found out.


Shied repair drones are meaningless to an Alpha strike.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2012-02-04 17:03:31 UTC
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
Am I the only one that finds it ironic that people criticize miners for doing something that makes little isk by engaging in an activity, IE ganking miners, that makes even less ISK per hour than the miners do?

did you seriously just claim that isk/hour is what matters in ganking

this is why we murder you

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.