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What to do when someone steals a mission item
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Umega
Solis Mensa
#61 - 2012-02-02 08:00:08 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
I've had this exact same discussion before. The maker of a game can indeed determine what category they choose to place certain actions in. I do not agree however that they can redefine a word. I was griefed. If CCP chooses not to call it greifing then I guess that is their right to live in an encapsulated world where they makeup their own meanings, but that doesn't stop the rest of the world around them from continuing to use the agreed upon definitions that they have always used.

However in this situation I think are you agreeing with me. "players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others" seems to describe very accurately the player I encountered tonight.

I think someone flying around stealing peoples mission items is definitely "consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others."

Additionally, how is this is about me being a new or an old player? My disagreement is with the mechanic as a whole, and I am here to voice my opinion against the mechanic as it exists now to bring awareness to it in hopes that at some point in the future sanity may be applied to this situation and changes made.


Stop Talking.

Should have sunk in a couple of posts ago that there hasn't been an army of alts here to agree with you.. why? Because usually those army of alts is to troll and stoke the flames for people to fight on the forums.

Since you are doing such a fine job on your own.. there is no need for some 'alt' to appear and agree with you, while everyone else is disagree'ing with you.

Welcome to EVE. You simply do not get it tho.. and possibly never will.

This is EVE, where people can scan down others in varies 'pockets' of space for a reason. Can show up and loot other's cans for a reason.. it is part of the game.. you bitching to not allow this to happen would infact be 'interfering with the game experince for others'. Live by double standards often? It is the game experince for others to be pirates, thieves, murderers cause such is allowed in EVE. You're being a jaded hypocrit with your stance.

You were only griefed because you found grief in an action that is completely and 100% aloud within this game. You call it griefed.. CCP calls it piracy.. I call it funny. Don't be one of them pricks that believes your way is always the right way.. you'll end up having a miserable life full of a disappointments.. like say, Now.

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ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#62 - 2012-02-02 08:22:01 UTC
Linda Shadowborn wrote:
abandon mission, take the standing hit (minimal) and take it again

Epic Arcs dont work like that, read the thread not just the title

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#63 - 2012-02-02 08:22:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Akirei Scytale
Pillowtalk wrote:
Its not on the market, and there is only 1 on contract for 40 million. Just gunna get on an alt and do the quest up until that point and trade the item to my other character. Luckily its early in the quest.


resourcefulness! unexpected.

don't get hung up on the act of having it taken from you though. that is EVE. moreso than the mission itself.
Alxea
Unstable Pirate Sharks Of The Damed Sea
#64 - 2012-02-02 08:26:43 UTC
Shoot the stealer. ;)
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#65 - 2012-02-02 08:33:46 UTC
You can pay him the ransom for the mission item, or fail the mission.

CCP would only reset the mission for legitimate reasons. The theft of mission-specific items is, as far as i know, within game mechanics and allowed

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Iceman10117
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#66 - 2012-02-02 08:38:52 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
I was just doing the sister's of eve quest and someone came and stole a guy I needed from a can. What are my options? I offered to buy the guy off him for a couple million, but as usual pirates always want the big score which is why they are always broke, and he asked for 20 mil. Not paying 20 mil for one part of a 50 part quest.

Can I petition it to get a replacement, or will it reset after downtime?



I think you're the one who is broke here? And I as a pirate am not broke at all.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2012-02-02 09:04:21 UTC
item is 40m on contracts

pirate offers to sell it for 20m

What a ripoff !!!

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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#68 - 2012-02-02 09:11:10 UTC
Under normal circumstances someone stealing a mission objective for ransom leaves you with several options. You can probably buy The Damsel relatively easily, the standing losses for failing the mission can be relatively easily absorbed... Or of course, if ransom is offered you could pay that.

However, as the OP is referring to the Epic Arc "The Blood-Stained Stars" and that's a little different...

For a start it's a one-off and failing (I believe) any mission in the sequence blocks your access to the entire tranche of content.
It's also aimed at newer players, every mission can be run in a T1 frigate and the rewards are fairly low.

It feels like it should be a special case but I'm somewhat ambivalent...

Most of the people running the missions in the sequence are less likely to be confident in EVE, they may turn out to be brilliant pirates, Empire builders or fleet commanders but by this time they aren't likely to have that many friends who can help them out with this sort of issue and they aren't likely to have forged a bond with EVE as yet.

There has to be a point at which the hand holding stops of course but I do wonder whether mission ransoming in this arc should be part of it...
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#69 - 2012-02-02 09:31:30 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
foxnod wrote:

Then you clearly don't belong in EVE.

CCP had to lay off 20% of it's workforce because they decided to go the route of cashop+captin's cubicle.

Since crucible the PCU has been steadily climbing like it has every year since the game launched. If they went carebear like you apparently want, then they'd drive off their core base and wind up closing the servers within 3 months; just like SWG with their NGE.



I don't belong in Eve and I am a carebear because I want to be able to do a quest without getting my quest item stolen? Seriously?



That's pretty much the textbook definition of a carebear, I'm afraid.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-02-02 09:48:34 UTC
Petition generally works wonders regarding missions.

Just say you blew up the item or something and want the mission reset.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Ursula LeGuinn
Perkone
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-02-02 10:11:22 UTC
Well now, let's see here... "Jet-Canning a Janitor" is the sixth mission in that arc. It will probably take at least a couple of hours all told to get to that point on your alt, right? And the only replacement janitor on contracts has an asking price of 40m.

You should have paid the man his ISK — opportunity cost, and all that. It's not as though he lost out, since he can contract it out for 5-10x what you were willing to pay. Instead, you refused to pay him because you thought his price was unreasonable, then posted a small novella of complaints here on the forums (that's far better reward for him than 20m ISK, I guarantee it).

Sometimes people are unreasonable and you pay them anyway, or opt not to run your mouth even though you want to, et cetera and so on. If at any time you begin to feel that CCP should solve your problems for you by changing game mechanics, squash that feeling. There's no guarantee they'll be changed, and you need to rely on yourself first and foremost to adapt.

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malaire
#72 - 2012-02-02 10:38:21 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
item is 40m on contracts

pirate offers to sell it for 20m

What a ripoff !!!

Maybe that pirate made that 40m contract after he failed to sell it at 20m Pirate

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#73 - 2012-02-02 10:55:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Pillowtalk wrote:
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:

Sometimes brakes on cars are bad when they leave the factory. Thats part of the mechanics too. But they recall them and fix them.


Yes, but we both know that this is Eve and it's working as intended.


Which is why subscriber growth for this game has been anemic at best over the years and the player base is miniscule in comparison to almost all other mildly successful MMOs. Additionally CCP just laid off a large portion of their staff and lost a large percentage of their subscribers because they actually paid money to hire "thought experts" that told them to charge 80 dollars or whatever absurd amount they charge for a monocle.

There is a saying in school that 5% of your students cause 95% of your problems, and the same holds true in eve, but in eve for some reason they cater to the 5%. The only explanation I have ever been able to come to is that CCP truly wants no mass appeal whatsoever. They explicitly want to be a niche market.

I am all for pvp, and conflict, and fighting, and strategy, and interesting game play. However, when I am just relaxing and looking for something low key to do, and I decide to log in to eve and do a nice slow pace quest to pick up a little faction, and some guy roles up and steals my quest item and then tries to get me to pay a ridiculous amount for it, thats just annoying. It doesn't add to game play in any way. I can't see it being particularly entertaining for the guy that did it, unless he has some real issues, and its just pointless in every way. I guess I just have a problem with pointless things.

If he was attacking my POS, hey I get it. We are fighting over resources. If he attacks me in low sec I get it, he wants my stuff. If he is undercutting me on the market I get it, he wants to outsell me. If he infiltrates my corp and steals our stuff great, he is personally enriching himself.

Rolling in and stealing my janitor, then me offering 2 million, and him asking for 20 mil, and him not even making a counter offer, just a total waste of time for everyone involved. This also leads me to wonder, why the hell won't people of the pirate ideology ever negotiate? The guy probably could have gotten me up to 4 mil or so, I could have moved on with my quest, he would be 4 mil richer, but I offer 2, he asks for 20, and then nothing. Just a complete waste. Waste of an evening, waste of a game, waste of 15 bucks. Just a waste.


Because the industry isn't already fully laden by hand-holding, coddling, and minimalizing the impacts of players on their games. The guy may have wanted you to shoot at him, that may have been his incentive. 20M isk is not outrageous for an epic story arc item. Some might point out that they can earn 20M isk in less than 10 minutes...they would be right. Far from ridiculous, 20M was actually a pretty good guesstimate unless the patsy...er...mark...erm...you happened to be too cheap to part with such a laughable sum.

You're not playing his game for him. You don't know what his motivations were. If you were playing a dim-witted game of internet checkers with him, would you cry if he took your pieces, since you were looking for an easy game? If so, you deserve the shame I doubt you even have the self-respect to feel.

You claim you get it when he wants your stuff every other way. Then, the way he actually got your stuff, you feign a lack of comprehension. You pretend there's a disconnect. Either that, or you're genuinely ********. This is a sandbox. Guess what, there's lots of things to do here. A lot of them involve pissing in somebody's cornflakes for giggles. As long as it's within the rules set forth by CCP - which you agreed to - it's acceptable gameplay whether you understand it or (LOL) not.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2012-02-02 11:23:22 UTC
Are you sure the mission item was stolen?

Probably it did´nt spawn at all, in which case a gm will gladly reset the mission.Big smile
Samantha Utama
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#75 - 2012-02-02 12:16:49 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:

As it stands now this was nothing but a complete waste of time for everyone involved.


I think your post pretty much made it worth while, whoever he is.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2012-02-02 12:22:02 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:
There is nothing to petition here - its part of the game mechanics in the same way that can-flipping is.

The mission won't reset as it has been properly completed i.e. the item has been scooped. As already suggested you can either pay his ransom, buy a replacement off the market, use an alt to get the mission again or fail the mission.


Sometimes brakes on cars are bad when they leave the factory. Thats part of the mechanics too. But they recall them and fix them. Stuff life this costs CCP more money then I think they will ever truly be able to fathom. Leaves a bad taste in a person's mouth to pay to be annoyed. Honestly it would be better to just remove concord so the guy could have attacked me and taken my stuff. At least something productive would have taken place then for someone. As it stands now this was nothing but a complete waste of time for everyone involved.


Cars by design are meant to stop and avoid killing people.

Eve by design is supposed to be harsh and unforgiving.
Permaband video sums it up tbh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#77 - 2012-02-02 12:22:47 UTC
Samantha Utama wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:

As it stands now this was nothing but a complete waste of time for everyone involved.


I think your post pretty much made it worth while, whoever he is.


^--------In fact, maybe this was his goal all along.

Bless him and keep him.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#78 - 2012-02-03 00:02:17 UTC
ACE McFACE wrote:
Linda Shadowborn wrote:
abandon mission, take the standing hit (minimal) and take it again

Epic Arcs dont work like that, read the thread not just the title


actually they do. it is what i did the last time someone stole my mission item in the sisters arc which i do every three months for the standings.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#79 - 2012-02-03 00:09:05 UTC
In this case, simply file a petition to CCP (not sure what category) saying that the mission item was taken and sicne the mission was marked as complete, it will not reset.

They will reset it for you. Just be polite and all that and you should be up and running... well as soon as they actually see the petition.
Damsel in Distress
The Scope
#80 - 2012-02-03 00:15:46 UTC
Jacob Holland wrote:
You can probably buy The Damsel relatively easily



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