Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I no click strange web site. Again you are show exception.

Direct image link is no run page with script and thing. This is like same blind you are for the topic.

No, you miss what say again.

1) Fail escape
2) Fight - if no escort then die.

Is chance for more fun, for real PVP. With more possible, more player take risk for cargo. More good target for pirate.

Your video has a hulk pilot killing all kinds of ships (up to cruiser size) that flipped his can. The last clip has a RR Domi and something else show up to help the (nearly dead) dessie.

3:1 odds against you are generally "bad" to have. The hulk pilot made the smart choice and left before getting killed.

What?

yes it no longer had max mining yield. HOWEVER, on that same token, I can theory-craft a BC to have excessively high DPS ... but absolutely zero tank.

Or perhaps I want a stupidly large tank ... and not much DPS.

Every ship in the game has a trade-off at some point between DPS (or mining yield), and tank.

I continue repeat myself until I think you understand. Also read original post.

I am no ask that they make these impossible kill. I am ask they change so there is some more chance survive and defend. Then more real PVP can happen.

Is like PMS idea. If corp possible defend industrial and miner then there more for fight and more risk and more good target.

Seems like this entire thread could be avoided by your Ity V having some backup while you fly through highsec. If you've got a bunch of gankers on escort with your loots, you can kill them back when they gank you and collect your loot (minus whatever gets destroyed).

If you're flying alone in an industrial, and they are flying in a fleet, you lose. Eve is about community as much as it is about risk/reward. Get some friends.

It takes quite a while for a stealth bomber or other small ship to kill a freighter (analogous to an oil tanker). An Alpha BS or Tornado is like having this* hit you from close range. If you're in a small cargo ship, a Battleship's main battery will put a hole in your boat roughly three times larger than the size of what used to be your boat.

As for small ships v industrials, look at the Horn of Africa. They're kidnapping, ransoming, ransacking, and sinking enormous boats with rowboats (Ok, rowboats with outboards attached, but still).


*I would hope Wikipedia doesn't follow under your category of scawwy sites you will not visit.

Battleships can't alpha freighters. The weakest freighter (Fenrir) has about 146k EHP. You would need 10+ battleships to alpha it. There are no freighters that enormous IRL.

A better comparison price-wise would be between a battleship and a deep space transport. The DST is less expensive than the battleship, and yet it would still take 4 battleships to alpha one (about a 45k EHP tank).

Alpha question aside, do you really think that if RL freighters were to get attacked and they called for help, that they would be able to survive until the help gets there? The Titanic sank in a little over 2.5 hours, before any help could get there, and that was just because of a dumb iceberg it crashed into (I couldn't find stats on sinking times of other commercial ships). An actual military attack on it would have caused it to sink astoundingly fast.

Face it: the only defense of non-combat ships faced with combat situations is to not be there in the first place, not to wait for help. Alternatively, in the case of a wartime escort, there need to be enough defenders to serve as either a deterrent (not worth attacking the convoy because of the losses the attackers would take) or as an instant-annihilation solution where you neutralize all attackers before they can fire on the commercial/civilian ship... because it will not survives if it takes fire.

I get that you want industrial ships to be hardier, and that's a more reasonable proposal than what I thought you were proposing at first, but I happen to believe that everything is working as intended: noncombat ships need to think ahead and be prepared (either with intel, escort, or both), or they are easy prey.



It probably should be. I've seen some nasty, nasty **** on there.

Not quite. An Iowa Class Battleship would probably sink a Supertanker in one or two volleys. At most you might need 2.

For a group of alpha Maelstroms to do the same to a freighter, you need 15-20 of them.

For the current standard of Tornados, where you need ~25 of them, let's see...
50m Hull
15m Fittings

Total: 65m*25 ships = 1625m ISK to gank a Freighter.

So,
700m Freighter
1625m Gank Fleet

Looks fair to me.