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'Backdating' Lapsed skill training time.

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Amy Amarr
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-02-02 18:56:11 UTC
Hey there folks!

GM Arcade informed me that my idea should be posted on the forums.

My idea is that you are able to 'back date' your characters lapsed skill training time, Either by paying subscription to recieve the lost SP or by another means. In this way you are able to 'catch up' with other characters of your year e.t.c.

For example;

If you are a 2006 character and you were inactive for three years due to financial problems e.t.c.
Your character could easily be tens of millions of SP behind others 'Born' at the same time as you.

The way I see it is that with 'Back dating' you could pay a subscription or something similar to that ilk and receive your 'lost' SP.

For example;

You could pay a 'subscription' of say 3 months and in turn receive 3 months of your lost SP in bulk to spread where you would like in the way it was done when Learning Skills were abolished.

I also think that these 'subscriptions' should be able to go down to hours minutes and seconds. Perhaps a way to track your inactivity and have a 'reclaimable balance' of sorts could be created. Thus enabling you to reclaim every single 'lost' skill point.

Let me know what you guys think.
Faile Nightsong
Widowmakers
#2 - 2012-02-02 19:06:41 UTC
I wholeheartedly support and affirm this concept.

Most importantly, I believe CCP could get a huge profit boost from it, and in return we wouldn't have an openended situation where people could just throw cash at skill points.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#3 - 2012-02-02 19:07:53 UTC
I'll have to say no. Buying SP, not matter what the reasoning, is a bad idea for all the reasons stated in the past.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

The Riddickman
Misadventures in Cake Eating
#4 - 2012-02-02 19:13:15 UTC
I don't really care either way if this is implemented. My only concern is that it must be bought w/ cold hard real world cash. Plex prices are high enough already, the last thing we need is even higher demand for the stuff.
ShipToaster
#5 - 2012-02-02 19:21:54 UTC
Not this again.

You were trolled by GM Arcade who just wanted rid of you. Lol

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Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-02-02 19:22:44 UTC
Mag's wrote:
I'll have to say no. Buying SP, not matter what the reasoning, is a bad idea for all the reasons stated in the past.


If I could like this more than once, I would.

No to buying SP in any form or fashion.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#7 - 2012-02-02 19:27:51 UTC
So you're saying I should create a dozen trial accounts and then let them unsub and just wait for the next FotM and bring them back and pay a bit to instantly train them up to whatever the current FotM is with the pile of SP it gets.

Yeah, no, if you can't pay for the account, you don't train, no 'backdating' SP. If you can do that then I demand the ability to backdate education in RL, so the people who skipped college to work can instantly catch back up with everyone else their age. Oh ... wait ... learning doesn't work that way ... (yeah, it is a RL->Eve analogy, but it does point out how stupid the concept is)
Amy Amarr
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-02-02 19:39:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Amy Amarr
mxzf wrote:
So you're saying I should create a dozen trial accounts and then let them unsub and just wait for the next FotM and bring them back and pay a bit to instantly train them up to whatever the current FotM is with the pile of SP it gets.


In response to this I can think of a couple of things.

One being that you restrict the age of characters being able to use it.
Problem with that is as you said 'waiting'.

Other idea is that there's a Skill training speed penalty if you use the SP backdating to acquire the missing Skill points.
Such as;

If you bought your 'missing' SP back you take a hit to the SP speed dropping it to something like normal Skill speed if you're using +4 implants. As then people would only do such a thing if they deem it 'vital or necessary '.

Just to clarify this point. I mean a permanent SP speed hit from then onwards for say the duration of the amount of time you 'reclaimed' from being inactive or even permanent indefinitely
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#9 - 2012-02-02 19:45:43 UTC
Amy Amarr wrote:
mxzf wrote:
So you're saying I should create a dozen trial accounts and then let them unsub and just wait for the next FotM and bring them back and pay a bit to instantly train them up to whatever the current FotM is with the pile of SP it gets.


In response to this I can think of a couple of things.

One being that you restrict the age of characters being able to use it.
Problem with that is as you said 'waiting'.

Other idea is that there's a Skill training speed penalty if you use the SP backdating to acquire the missing Skill points.
Such as;

If you bought your 'missing' SP back you take a hit to the SP speed dropping it to something like normal Skill speed if you're using +4 implants. As then people would only do such a thing if they deem it 'vital or necessary '.

Just to clarify this point. I mean a permanent SP speed hit from then onwards for say the duration of the amount of time you 'reclaimed' from being inactive or even permanent indefinitely


Nothing you've said prevents it from being badly exploited.
Mangren Skor
Widowmakers
#10 - 2012-02-02 19:49:48 UTC
The issue isn't whether or not people would do things like pay for one month trials and hold them for 2 years and then reactivate and sell them... The question is would it break the game ?

It would generate additional revenue for CCP, it would definitely affect the market for PLEX if you could buy 30 days of backdated skill training for old accounts with a PLEX.

Obviously it would have to be done based on current Attribute Mapping, and probably without current implants. As getting them after the fact would be ...

The argument could be made that a clone was sitting in station for that time, with a skill training queue that had been sitting and got pulled out after the fact.

What about 2 PLEX for per 30 day boost to an old character?

On the market argument, the higher PLEX prices go, the more demand there is for people to purchase PLEX at the going rate in real world currencies, which will bring it back down.

Now the downside is that as people get more skills they can turn around and generate more ISK/hour in game. So... hmmmph.

It would unbalance the game for new players in a way. But hasn't that always been true? Every day that goes by and you don't have an account training SP, you're falling behind the guy who has an active account.

Not sure this changes that aspect dramatically. New accounts will always have that hurdle.

Amy Amarr
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-02-02 19:51:24 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Amy Amarr wrote:
mxzf wrote:
So you're saying I should create a dozen trial accounts and then let them unsub and just wait for the next FotM and bring them back and pay a bit to instantly train them up to whatever the current FotM is with the pile of SP it gets.


In response to this I can think of a couple of things.

One being that you restrict the age of characters being able to use it.
Problem with that is as you said 'waiting'.

Other idea is that there's a Skill training speed penalty if you use the SP backdating to acquire the missing Skill points.
Such as;

If you bought your 'missing' SP back you take a hit to the SP speed dropping it to something like normal Skill speed if you're using +4 implants. As then people would only do such a thing if they deem it 'vital or necessary '.

Just to clarify this point. I mean a permanent SP speed hit from then onwards for say the duration of the amount of time you 'reclaimed' from being inactive or even permanent indefinitely


Nothing you've said prevents it from being badly exploited.


Perhaps then something a bit more severe such as. You're back on eve. been away long enough to have 'lost' 90m sp but to back date you only receive 30m due to not being active over the time and the other 60m is lost and unredeemable.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-02-02 19:56:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Mag's wrote:
I'll have to say no. Buying SP, not matter what the reasoning, is a bad idea for all the reasons stated in the past.

You should quit playing EvE then since your subscription essentially buys you time to gain SP and therefor you are buying SP in a form.

I still don't think this is a good idea though. That means that account I made back in 2004 that has been dormant since then could be reactivated and I could pay a thousand bucks to get all the SP and assign it how I want. I don't think that would be very good...

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821

Amy Amarr
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-02-02 20:06:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Amy Amarr
Vertisce Soritenshiz wrote:
I still don't think this is a good idea though. That means that account I made back in 2004 that has been dormant since then could be reactivated and I could pay a thousand bucks to get all the SP and assign it how I want. I don't think that would be very good...


As i just said above your post. Perhaps incur a 2/3 loss to reclaimable sp.

Could even name it 'Capsuleer Sickness'

"Due to being in your capsule for a very long period of time you have lost 2/3 of the skill points you could have attained over x amount of time."
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#14 - 2012-02-02 20:07:39 UTC
Suddenly all my 2005 alts with 200k SP can fly titans.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-02-02 20:48:09 UTC
Feligast wrote:
Mag's wrote:
I'll have to say no. Buying SP, not matter what the reasoning, is a bad idea for all the reasons stated in the past.


If I could like this more than once, I would.

No to buying SP in any form or fashion.


Not empty quoting.
Olive Juice
#16 - 2012-02-02 20:55:32 UTC
Mag's wrote:
I'll have to say no. Buying SP, not matter what the reasoning, is a bad idea for all the reasons stated in the past.


Except for buying skills that are on a character?
Olive Juice
#17 - 2012-02-02 20:57:29 UTC
mxzf wrote:
So you're saying I should create a dozen trial accounts and then let them unsub and just wait for the next FotM and bring them back and pay a bit to instantly train them up to whatever the current FotM is with the pile of SP it gets.



Why make trial accounts?

You can do this now!

Just buy some PLEX, sell it for isk, then buy characters that are skilled!

iNfeck7ed
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-02-02 21:15:59 UTC
Mag's wrote:
I'll have to say no. Buying SP, not matter what the reasoning, is a bad idea for all the reasons stated in the past.


quiet peasant, people with jobs who support this game you probably paid your whole eve life with plex which doesn't help ccp advance its software or hardware are thinking, shoosh.

support the buying of back-logged sp
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#19 - 2012-02-02 21:24:52 UTC
iNfeck7ed wrote:
quiet peasant, people with jobs who support this game you probably paid your whole eve life with plex which doesn't help ccp advance its software or hardware are thinking, shoosh.


Quoting a self-righteous idiot who doesn't realize that CCP gets MORE money because of people who play the game via PLEX (because CCP gets the money either way and PLEXers are even getting someone else to give CCP cash for them to play, which would be one less subscription otherwise).
Mag's
Azn Empire
#20 - 2012-02-02 21:29:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Mag's wrote:
I'll have to say no. Buying SP, not matter what the reasoning, is a bad idea for all the reasons stated in the past.

You should quit playing EvE then since your subscription essentially buys you time to gain SP and therefor you are buying SP in a form.
The subscription buys me access to the server. While I had that access, I was able to use my character sheet and train/change skills over that time.

Fake edit: You made me laugh though, because I know you were serious.

Olive Juice wrote:
Mag's wrote:
I'll have to say no. Buying SP, not matter what the reasoning, is a bad idea for all the reasons stated in the past.


Except for buying skills that are on a character?
Characters bought and sold have had the time spent on them and are the result of choices made over time. The whole point of skill levels, is so you have to decided is it worth train that skill to level 5, or should I train other stuff to level 4?

No matter what excuse is used to justify buying SP, it all boils down to the same thing. The removal of those decisions and consequences.

Buying a char comes with them, buying SP does not.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

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