Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Those haulers you are complaining about can still avoid war decs. Form a one man corp and hope it stays unnoticed. If it does get decced, make a new one. You can be sure of 24 hours of time to haul.

Forcing people out of NPC corps will just force large number of people out of eve, all in attempt to fix a problem that will still be there after your fix.

You can keep your NPC corps so long as they become wardecable.


1 - you still have your NPC corps

2 - i can shoot the logistic guys inside of them working for the people i hate





Using your logic, this is ok you still have your NPC corps,

But no its not the NPC corps you want its the wardec free part of the NPC corps you want.

All along your hole argument has been stuck to the same i want to be wardec immune.


Why is it you think you need NPC corps?

is it because

your bad at pvp?

you don't know how to pvp?

you don't think you should have to pvp?

you talk smack in local and hide in NPC corps?

you fly a freighter for some big null corp and don't want it to change?

your a mission runner/miner and don't want it to change because right now its easier for you?

your just a troll?


I have stated why i want NPC corps changed, but you haven't said why you want them to stay the same?

…except that 1) they won't work as NPC corps any more, and thus you're breaking things, and 2) you still won't be able to, so you're breaking things for no good reason.

Why is this so hard to understand? You weren't familiar with basic aggression mechanics. At this point, it's not far-fetched to think that you are equally unfamiliar with basic wardec mechanics…

If you force people out of NPC corps, all that will happen is that people who enjoy the NPC corp lifestyle, who are willing to give up the vast array of stuff you need a PC corp to do just for a (little) piece of mind by not being deccable, will no longer have any place in the game. That is all. You will still not be able to kill your targets because they will still never be in a corp that you are allowed to attack. They will be in a different corp. Once you wardec that one, they'll be in a different corp. Once you wardec that one, they'll be in a different corp. Etc etc etc. You will never be able to shoot them. Whether they are in an NPC corp or not is 100% irrelevant to your failure to kill people — you will have to gank them, and the problem here is simply that you refuse to do so for some reason.

Instead, you want to drive people out of the game and implement something that will just move your perceived problem one step down the line, so now you have to break something else to get what you want (and I'll predict that what you suggest for that step won't work either because you're still barking up the wrong tree). So where does it end? Why not address the actual issue instead, or (hey! let's be wild and crazy!) use the ample tools that are already available to you? Why are they not sufficient?
That is not my logic. I have no idea where you're getting this from.
WTF?! Have you tried reading?

You have stated why you want NPC corps change. Pretty much everyone else has stated that what you're asking for will not solve your problem. You have not responded to this blatantly and blindingly obvious counter-argument. Until you can explain how in the world your suggestion will in any way address your (supposed) problem, no-one needs to state anything.

Your solution does not work as currently outlined. Address this.
Your solution does not even have a problem to solve. Address this lack of a problem.
Your solution is a massive change to “fix” a tiiiiiiiny issue. Address this asymmetry.

Corp gets wardeced, from the moment i pay for it and the mail is sent, you cant leave your player corp for x amount of time.

No more corp jumping to avoid wardecs.

I get PEW PEW on the people that needs dead.

They keep there NPC corps so long as there wardec able.



Why should i have to bring 20* Gank fit BSs to kill there 1 lone afk freighter? when if this loop hole was not there i could PEW PEW it with 2 people.



*(random numbers are good)

Still does nothing against my hauler alt that is in a corp that you don't know. How do you want to wardeck someone you don't know?

1. Corp players see wardec is extended, for the repeative week again.
2. Corp players, seeing they cannot play the sandbox their way have one option as they are not interested in a fight.
3. Cancel sub
4. ???
5. PROFIT!!! EVE goes back down to the rumored 10k active, 30k sub at one time (hard to find a confirmable source)

CCP pulls plug, Server shuts down, problem still not fixed, CCP shuts down or changes DUST514 and/or moves on to WoD. Because you want to play your way and other people want to play their way. How do you counter it? Adapting your way to violate, pillage, plunder, and EXPLICIT!!! action on them. That requires you, the OP, to GTFO of your 2 million comfort bubble called a wardec and just go wild. Yes, there is risk and consequences to -10 while ganking freighters but god damn if you really want to shut down logistics wouldn't that acutally prevent the enemy from fighting, which in return actually counters the entire concept of ship to ship combat because your enemy cannot fight back to secure some hollow victory over a region of pixel space when the fun should just be in the fight. If your are really as competitive as you say you are and will do anything from kicking someone's Grandma, pissing in their coffee, and posting photoshoped pics of on the web of strange things with animals just to hurt them, then go for the gold and **** your sec status away.

You have the solution just in front of you: go at those large null based corps homelands and fight them.

It's not NPC corps the issue, it's the way you want the game to stick to your own point of view.

They get 24 hours to haul. After that they do not undock until they can jump corp.

They get to haul, you get to shoot nothing.

You may say there should be a rule: "no dropping corp while there is a war". But then how do you "win a war". So far the only way to really win a high sec war is to destroy the other corp by driving everyone out. But to drive them out they need to be able to leave.

But get this: Almost no one hauling for a Null sec alliance is so stupid as to undock a freighter in high sec during war.

A much better solution is to look at null and fix the need to haul from high sec, and CCP is looking at this.

Also to everyone who thinks NPC corps should be deccable: How do you propose a new player learns the game? Kind of hard if seconds after each undock you are in the clone bay.

Unless your goal is to have no new players, and have eve die.