Ships & Modules

You arrogant so and so. A lot of people come here saying "Gimme a fit", without providing at least an attempt to give something as a discussion starting point.

You must realise that we play the game too (or at least the forum part of it) and don't get paid for it, and are not necessarily going to take a shine to people demanding handouts.

Someone asking "Does anybody have a [ship] fit for [purpose]? I can't seem to get my head around...etc etc" is a whole load better than simply posting "Durr give me a Tengu fit (subtext: I realise that this is a popular ship, and there must be fittings for it posted somewhere, but I can't be bothered doing anything for myself."



Also: google it.

Most of the time, the fits here kinda suck, ull find battleclinic with its karma system offers superior advise.

Most people aren't providing enough information, to answer the question they asked. That's it.

-Shipclass
-Ship
-SP
-Place
-Purpose
-Problem / Suggestions
-Playstyle
...

More info, less trolling.

Meh. If you follow the board, the questions do get redundant. However, to be fair to the clueless/newbies, threads on specific ships can be full of a mish-mash of opinions and subtleties that are scattered to the winds. The 'like' system doesn't significantly help identify the most useful posts, and good information often appears in threads after the thread has gone off-topic which makes searching difficult.

Personally, I miss Ye Olde Sticky Thread With an Organized List of Common Fits from the forums of yore.

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A tiny bit of understanding the game mechanics would help to figure out, that the fit you recommended, is more or less impossible if you can't refit your tengu (claimed space).

Officer NPC are dealing a lot of DMG and have a decent tank, while you wnat to be able to bubbleproof- covertwarp around in 0.0, which limits DPS and Tank.

I've been thinking of putting together a "Liang Approved" list of ship fits with some description of how to fit and fly them. Then I remembered that not everyone agrees with me and that's a lot of work for no pay and... well, probably lots of arguments and flaming. And hell, I don't even PVE anymore (at all) so I feel like I wouldn't be the best person to tell you what the latest Incursion or plexing Tengu fit is.

Anyway, such a thread would be nice but I'm not sure it'd serve any more purpose than the (terrible) Battleclinic fits do. IMO people should just post their questions. If they don't post it right, then they'll get a lesson in communication - so the time isn't really wasted. If they post it right then there's an exchange of information, ideas, and even a bit of companionship - so the time isn't really wasted.

/shrug

-Liang

FWIW, I told you it was impossible.



They boosted the DPS, tank (both EHP and regen) and speed of officers as an anti-botting measure. Worked pretty well for a week, would be flying through Venal and see at least 2-3 Tengu/Drake wrecks every time I roamed.

Name your (reasonable) price (in ISK), I'm quite sure the community could throw it together.

I'll put up 500M.

Are you sure about that bolded part??? I can guarantee you that these forums were just as full of trolls, haters, "google it" people, ect six months ago, 1 year ago, two years ago, and if you take the time to look at posts all the way back to 2003 it doesn't get much better.

More to your point, sometimes google it is the correct answer. If person A asks for a fit, person B says google it, person A then googles it, person A finds the fit they are looking for. Seems pretty helpful to me.

Now if Person A were to say I'm looking for a fit to achieve X with, and I've already searched the forums and googled it and found fits such as this(explanation of fits here) but I am looking for something different like Y(say a fit that doesn't use a cap booster or something like that) that could still achieve X, they'd probably get some good responses.

"But what if the person doesn't know enough about what they want to know what to ask for!11?"

Well then they could say, "I'm really not sure what I need to achieve but I know I want to run lvl 3 missions, get into PVP for the first time, ect, I can fly caldari frigates and cruisers, what should i do?" That would probably result in some decent responses as well.

Now even if you take all my precautionary steps to popularity, people in general are dickheads and that only increases whilst on internet forums, so some replies are going to be trollish and what not. Ignore those.

Some people are done argueing with others about what is correct fit to use. Sure might get the round peg in the triangle hole, but then you have to do another one, and another one, and another one and it gets tiring n boring.

And there is no grand perfect fit. People's experince are going to be different from others for a variety of reasons.

Who and what their mates fly will/should dictate someone's fit.. and it could be different than someone elses. But both are perfectly reasonable given how they use them and WHO n the ships they fly use them with. And so these people will argue on here until hands thrown up n give up.

Two people could do similiar things.. but in different sigments of space at different times. A lowsec combat pilot vs another when comparing fits of a similiar ship.. one might see more (out of air example) amarrian cruisers n gallente frigs, the other might see more caldari cruisers n minnie frigs in each's respective lowsec area. Of course they going to argue what is best to fit the same ship, cause their majority of opponents and their opponents styles are different.. which dictate how they need to be to counter.

A highsec merc is going to encounter different things than a NPC null gang roamer. Also different mechanics in the space itself and what can be utalized and implemented. Both might end up arguing about the same ship.. while they come from completely different backgrounds despite both being quality combat pilots.

Some people are stuck in stereotypes.. so thoroughly buried in old styles and tactics, it can be next to impossible to convince some folk of 'new' ideas that you have made work effectively for scenarios and situations, 'new' counters and what not.

All n All.. some people are at the point of.. why bother. Too frustrating when just trying to help someone.

EDIT: And most of us are/have combat pilots.. and you kinda need to be a bit 'arrogant', alpha male complex.. when you're gunning around to be an elite combat pilot. Which is a catalyst towards the arguements and bullheaded stance of people on here. To be the best.. you got to first believe you are the best.. before you can beat the best!