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The CSM concept fails in large part because we have a 1 server game.

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Ghoest
#61 - 2012-02-02 13:58:44 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
naive person completely ignorant about how both ccp works and how the csm works posts a thread

it is bad!

we need to set up a jita park bingo, you could mark a box like that off every day



Look it is Mittani suggesting that people should trust hes doing the right thing in a meta game situation where he has an opportunity to do the wrong thing.

This is probably the most ridiculous reply in the thread.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#62 - 2012-02-02 16:53:10 UTC
Well to be fair, the idea CSM breaks down over there only being one server really doesnt make much sense at all. There are alot of different games out there and all of them could have a CSM type thing as well. Blizzard picked a certain everquest player to be there CSM when they designed dungeons. They have multiple servers and it worked out well.

If anything elections are hard, so any game with a CSM would have problems with the elections or so. Unless it more application but then there could be problems as well.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#63 - 2012-02-03 05:32:37 UTC
Ghoest wrote:
Look it is Mittani suggesting that people should trust hes doing the right thing in a meta game situation where he has an opportunity to do the wrong thing.

This is probably the most ridiculous reply in the thread.

I'm pretty sure the people who voted for him before are quite certain he did the right thing.

By them, of course, but that's the way it works. One doesn't simply solve the planner's problem for all of society, in all states, ever.

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Laechyd Eldgorn
Avanto
Hole Control
#64 - 2012-02-03 13:51:13 UTC
imo current CSM voting system and general structure of whole CSM organization needs rework so CSM could also more effectively represent not only all playstyles but also real world regions.

With current system there's no quarantee that "little voice" will be heard. In real democratic stuff there's different kind of mechanics to prevent all votes going for one particular geographic or political group.

Also I think there should be more CSM members so we would have some kind of parliament which is NOT required to travel to iceland but then there would be small council which will go represent players in iceland.

Let's just look what we have now for example:

- Most of CSM are either from US or at least english speaking countries. I think we should have something which quarantees also other frigging cultures will have chance to express their concerns for real.
- Majority of CSM are members or large alliances. Fine. But again smaller organizations should have their say too.

Unless CSM organization is somehow changed I really don't see this will change much just by voting.

Real democracy is not really quaranteed by this kind of free voting system we have now. Not to mention that people can have several votes each. This is more like totalitary anarchy whatever. I cannot really pick up better name for this.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-02-03 17:10:22 UTC
Ghoest wrote:
The CSM should not exist in a game like EVE. Its just another meta level of alliance warfare.

Vote for me then

I'm not a member of an alliance and i dont live in nulsec

problem solved

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#66 - 2012-02-06 20:12:45 UTC
Ghoest wrote:
The CSM should not exist in a game like EVE. Its just another meta level of alliance warfare.

So, you're saying it's CCP's way of secretly creating new content on an alliance level?

That's genius !

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