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Want to join GoonWaffe? Well, this is my experience...

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Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#121 - 2012-02-02 14:04:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

I think the point is the OP was trying to get into the communist regime.


Typical exploitation of the Common Pod-Pilot.

PLEASE ! The Goons are NOT Communist ! They are Capitalist Exploiters of the Masses !

The Mittani merely poses as a liberator of the Proletariat, while he and the Something Awful Leadership, in fact, pocket rivers of wealth expropriated from their worker bees.

( Now wait for it. The Mittani himself won't fail to arrive to deny everything, but he reeks of corruption.)LolLolLol

Evolution is pretty close to communist. Can't think of any other well-known corps/alliances that are.

Goons are communist in the same way all Western European countries are communist (i.e. not at all but that doesn't stop American rednecks from claiming otherwise).
fgft Athonille
Doomheim
#122 - 2012-02-02 14:09:30 UTC
should have stuck with it and waited

you could have botted your money back and then some in the easiest alliance to bot in
Ursula LeGuinn
Perkone
Caldari State
#123 - 2012-02-02 14:09:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn
I could argue either side of this issue, but one thing I hope we can all agree upon is that Goonswarm recruitment scams provide a valuable service: Victims become aware of the need for incredulity in EVE, and also learn to perform their due diligence before forking their assets over to a perfect stranger.

Players who have the shirts scammed off their backs, learn from their mistake and continue playing EVE are made of stern stuff, and I welcome them into the community.

"The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community." — EVElopedia

Rapala Armiron
Arton Yachting and Angling Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#124 - 2012-02-02 14:16:25 UTC
Maxx86 wrote:
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
The only positive in this story is that you stopped before giving them another 6.5B.

Oh, the other positive is that you remain a proud non-member of goons. You might be an idiot but at least you still have your soul and integrity. P


well... but what could i think? I mean, there's a nice red message that pops when you enter the recruitment channel. It says this:


EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted.
No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporation's recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility. An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums.

I kind of felt that it was safe.
The part i've underlined is quite hard to manipulate/misunderstand

But that's it, some times i forget the "trust no one" rule of this game XD


Unfortunately you are failing to read the important part of the message, which i have bolded and italized above. CCP clearly states that any deal made or finalized outside the channel is done at the risk of persons making the deal. CCP wants it both ways -- they want the recruitment channel to be "safe" but they dont want to have the responsibility to police the actions that result out of the channel. I predict that the OP's petition is doomed.
Maxx86
Infinite Forms
#125 - 2012-02-02 14:17:45 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Maxx86 wrote:
...the other one was about a conversation i had, while i was in my old corporation, with our war targets.


So, you admitted talking to wartargets during a war.
That´s consorting with the enemy. What Null-Sec-Corp would hire such a person? What guarantees that you won´t do that again, possibly betray your Corp.
Also, persons with numbers in their name aren´t really trustworthy either.

Sorry mate, but you are really a spy or a traitor just waiting to happen...... I wouldn´t let you in my Corp either.


Amogst all the insults that i clearly deserved for falling for this, this is the most funny post i read so far! XD
I didn't give them any intel, and I admitted it and apologized to my CEO, I mean, a spy would have tried to hide it or whatever, no?
But you are right, next time I'll start a game I'll make sure I have 5 years experience with it, ok? (lol)
And yeah, next time a recruiter contacts me, I'll apologize for having numbers in my name XD

gogo, mr. pro
Maxx86
Infinite Forms
#126 - 2012-02-02 14:19:42 UTC
Rapala Armiron wrote:


Unfortunately you are failing to read the important part of the message, which i have bolded and italized above. CCP clearly states that any deal made or finalized outside the channel is done at the risk of persons making the deal. CCP wants it both ways -- they want the recruitment channel to be "safe" but they dont want to have the responsibility to police the actions that result out of the channel. I predict that the OP's petition is doomed.


I won't die if i don't get my isk back, but it would be cool if CCP actually punished someone for breaking a rule :)
Signal11th
#127 - 2012-02-02 15:16:16 UTC
Maxx86 wrote:
Rapala Armiron wrote:


Unfortunately you are failing to read the important part of the message, which i have bolded and italized above. CCP clearly states that any deal made or finalized outside the channel is done at the risk of persons making the deal. CCP wants it both ways -- they want the recruitment channel to be "safe" but they dont want to have the responsibility to police the actions that result out of the channel. I predict that the OP's petition is doomed.


I won't die if i don't get my isk back, but it would be cool if CCP actually punished someone for breaking a rule :)



Do you have any mail or chat logs that show him mention he got your name from the recruitment channel or with him chatting with you in the recruitment channel. If you have great send it to CCP and he'll get screwed. If not then he hasn't broken any rules and your stiffed.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#128 - 2012-02-02 15:22:06 UTC
That "platform" clause was recently put in there by one idiot GM without any thought to the impossibility of enforcing it.

You can never prove that someone used the recruitment channel as a "platform" and there is no clear definition of what "recruitment scamming" is or isn't.

No one will ever get banned for fishing suckers out of that channel, and Goons know it. The GM who changed the MOTD should be fired for idiocy.

Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
#129 - 2012-02-02 15:24:23 UTC
Das Butler wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
i have an endless appetite for the pain and humiliation of the stupid, so when i see mails like this in my inbox, it pleases me:

Quote:



i think this is the op's alt


and this is a person in charge of the csm. he clearly is proud of scamming and pushes his puppet to do it. WAKE UP EVE PLAYERS


OMG look! The CSM championing a perfectly legal and supported profession that I don't agree with. BAN HIM

I have little to no sympathy for people that get caught in this stuff. If you're to stupid to investigate/think about what you are doing or getting into, then it's your fault, no one elses. I have no love for Goons, but I laugh when I see people are still falling for this crap after so many years.
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#130 - 2012-02-02 15:28:59 UTC
Ive Heard Deklain is very pretty this time of year. ShockedLol
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#131 - 2012-02-02 15:41:27 UTC
Ghoest wrote:
If the OP is being honest(which would be a dubious assumption) then he is probably correct that the Goons broke a rule.

I really dont see CCP having the balls to stand up to Mittani(or any other CSM) at this point however.


But Mittani is harmless. He is a super carebear.
Altho you cant really blaim Goonwaffe for this as much as i despise Goons they do give you a great chuckle every now and then.
This guy is lucky it was only 6.5B 6.5B can be made in 1 month of ratting in 00.

If your stupid enough to give a corp isk that you want to join then your stupid enough to get scammed.
Maxx86
Infinite Forms
#132 - 2012-02-02 16:11:39 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
Ghoest wrote:
If the OP is being honest(which would be a dubious assumption) then he is probably correct that the Goons broke a rule.

I really dont see CCP having the balls to stand up to Mittani(or any other CSM) at this point however.


But Mittani is harmless. He is a super carebear.
Altho you cant really blaim Goonwaffe for this as much as i despise Goons they do give you a great chuckle every now and then.
This guy is lucky it was only 6.5B 6.5B can be made in 1 month of ratting in 00.

If your stupid enough to give a corp isk that you want to join then your stupid enough to get scammed.


it was just 3.25b. they asked for 6.5b, but at that point the loss would have been... well, noticeable, at least
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#133 - 2012-02-02 16:18:22 UTC
Our alliance does not approve this message.
We have not received our royalties.

Gimme da ISK!!!
Vladimir Tinakin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#134 - 2012-02-02 16:19:36 UTC
I was recruited by a Goons during the Ice Interdiction. Plopped down my 500M, had a trial run during the event to see how committed I was, and after it ended they accepted my app and returned the deposit with interest.

Frankly, everything was aboveboard and given how the spy metagame works in 0.0 these days they'd be crazy NOT to do something similar. Every few days you get a message saying '"X" is blue-shooting, be careful' until they're able to be kicked.
Veragostin
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#135 - 2012-02-02 17:11:04 UTC
Funny story.

I got introduced to SA via Goons in a different online game. Only lurked though, never actually joined up. Saw them here in Eve, got bored one day, decided to go over and apply (without thinking to check the SA forums). Got scammed out of 500m isk. That caused me to be like 'oh man, these guys must be having the time of their life doing this'. So I joined SA because of that. Couldn't have been a better decision.

Haven't joined them in-game yet, but I do admire their ability to find a continual stream of brain-dead morons like my nub self to get money from.

I do kind of wonder, after seeing tales like this, whats the greatest amount they've managed to scam out of an individual like this. Whoever did it, I'll probably send some isk to, just cause.
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#136 - 2012-02-02 17:16:52 UTC
Came into thread expecting a story about recruitment spam, left having gotten all that I expected.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!

Dunbar Hulan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#137 - 2012-02-02 17:18:27 UTC
Anyone wants into the Sideburns, here's how you do it, swear allegiance to Manchester United- After that your in.
Any Liverpool, or Manchester City fans can go and join EVE University.

 ** Manchester United - Paul Scholes= Genius**

Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#138 - 2012-02-02 17:33:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Krios Ahzek
Common sense: we have 3300 members, how could that ever happen if we scammed everyone who applied?

Vladimir Tinan wrote:
I was recruited by a Goons during the Ice Interdiction. Plopped down my 500M, had a trial run during the event to see how committed I was, and after it ended they accepted my app and returned the deposit with interest.



My story is very similar, except they had me shoot a pod in Jita since my character was too ****** to gank miners. Check my KB history on battleclinic.

So, you guys want the truth? Here's MY experience joining GoonWaffe. I could get into trouble for posting this, but I don't care anymore. I want to help you guys.

Here's how it works. First, you have to get noticed.
Some recruiters are courageous and will recruit anyone, but this is dangerous because you will get kicked out if you recruit too many idiots and spies. Most select their recruits carefully. Amongst other things, they look at your killboard history and the quality of your Eve-o posting (if applicable).

Then, you have to prove your are worthy of GoonWaffe. They will ask for your full API, a security deposit and occasionally some miscellaneous other thing, such as suicide ganking some poor sap or (if you have a sadistic recruitment officer) a 250 word essay on why you want to join. You're asking for them to trust you to be a legit applicant and not a spy, isn't it a no-brainer to ask for some trust in return?

It's kind of like those trust experiments where you're asked to jump blindfolded into a void, but you know your friends will catch you. They just want you to prove you're committed.

Back to my story.
My security deposit was 500 million isk. Fortunately, I happened to have a PLEX lying around from a buddy invite.

I paid it as a security deposit and gave my recruiter my full API.

The days, weeks, months passed. I was starting to get chills reading all of those scamming threads, but I knew I had done everything right, so I did not falter.

Yesterday, I checked my wallet and I noticed a transaction. Out of the blue, my recruiter had given me my 600m iskies back. That's a 500m security deposit with 20% interest. There was an EVE-mail saying that I passed the test and I was invited into GoonWaffe. This is what you get for not pussying out. The interest is financed out of all the idiots who are impatient spies or don't have the balls to wait it out.

I then contracted all of my meager assets to our JF service. It got blown up by gate rats because of a dumb pilot (you should see the thread on our forums, he's being ridiculed), but hey, it happens. I'm short of three fitted thrashers and 500m3 of random ass rat modules, but now I'm rich anyways thanks to all the Goonswarm social programs and bittervet love.

Big shout out to Randomus Namus https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Randomus%20Namus for making it happen, you're the best recruitment officer in GoonWaffe.

destiny2 wrote:
Ive Heard Deklain is very pretty this time of year. ShockedLol

It is actually. It's just as safe as highsec, except that I get to make 50 million an hour just from salvaging in a Thrasher and 500 million a month AFK thank to nullsec PI and Goon custom offices. Enjoy paying taxes, peasants. Also, it's three jumps to anywhere thanks to the jump bridge network. What were you saying again?

 Though All Men Do Despise Us

Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#139 - 2012-02-02 17:44:53 UTC
Also if you're applying with a 2007 toon like that failure in the OP, you better damn expect your security deposit to be a few billion isk, you spy.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us

arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#140 - 2012-02-02 18:18:42 UTC
Maxx86 wrote:
I alraedy know that i'm not going to see a single isk of what i've been scammed for (see OP) XD
But i still hope some actions are going to be taken to punish the trasgresser... Unless Goons are allowed to do whatever they want and ignore all the rules in this game, ofc


they are allowed to do whatever they want and do ignore all the rules in this game. also, don't forget to generate a new API.

I really don't understand why people want to join a corp or alliance that bad that they are willing to give 75% of all their assets to a corporation that will literally do NOTHING for them. There are corporations and alliances out there that need new players that will actually give you benefits. Once a corp/alliance is as large as GOONs they don't really need to do d i c k for you and it's only a matter of THEY DONT NEED PLAYERS.

I personally can't wait for the day that either all of EVE declares war on goons until they are gone/dead or someone is paid tons of ISK to do to them what they did to BOB. forget to pay the billz and are disbanded.

sure it's a game, but victimizing people is victimizing them none-the less. even if it is surprise buttsex