Warfare & Tactics

Hi everyone,

I just resubscribed after being gone for over 2 years. I'm really excited about being back and I love EVE! Even when I wasn't playing, I was thinking about playing. I participated in some PVP back in the day and even joined a small pirate corp in 0.0. Due to my schedule and the fact that I am very independent by nature, I never got into any big fleet actions, it was mostly 1 vs.1 stuff or 1 vs. 3, as was sometimes the case. I focused mostly on building my skills, making money, and planned to eventually get more involved with PVP, but eventually never came.

This time I around I decided I wanted more PVP and to be very aggressive from the beginning and to not put it off. I figured I would get blown up a lot as a new character, but that didn't bother me so much, because fighting was fun, and getting blown up is a good way to learn and make friends. I had heard about Factional Warfare and it sounded like a good way to jump right in, fly with some more experienced people, and even have an "RP" purpose (we are applying an MMORPG, afterall) to the fighting. After finishing all of the tutorials the game even pushed me to join the Militia. I joined right away.

Then begins my discouraging experience. Over 120 people were in the Militia chat and although I tried for a couple of hours, not a single person would form up with me. I saw people in local as I flew around looking for fights, headed to various hot spots, and none of them wanted to join or appeared to be involved in FW in any way, despite being a member. Some people even accused me of being a spy, because of my newbness, which I challenged was irrelevant, because I wasn't looking to join a corp and gain access to secrets or hangers, I just wanted to form a squadron with a few people and go shoot some Minmatars. As a new character I realize I can't offer much in the way of skills and equipment, but I could definitely fill the role of expendable tackler, which I was outfitted for and happy to do for the team. Unfortunately, no one took me up on it, although a few people were friendly.

Is Factional Warfare dead? Do people join the Militia and just stay in the Militia, even if they don't actively participate? Are there "cliques" within the Militia and people only fly with close friends or corp mates? I honestly don't understand. I did manage to get into 2 fights before I had to log off, but they were solo fights.

If you want easy instant pvp join RvB.

Militia is for Faction warfare that contains lot of more aspects than just instant fair fights.

Thanks for responding, Bad Messenger. You also have a good name!

I just did a search for RvB on Google and learned about Red vs. Blue and their perpetual war. Wow, I didn't know anything like that existed! Thanks for letting me know. It sounds like everything I expected Factional Warfare to be (and isn't). I will look into joining one side or the other.

Thats the general problem with eve, most people care more about KB stats etc etc.

Heres what you need to do. Stay in FW first. Just change how you fight. Start using the complexes and people will come fight you.

Read my post on "Call to Arms Caldaria Militia"

It outlines the new fighting style I am trying to push hard.

And if you like come over to Caldari space (Ichroyia) and you can fleet with me tonite when I take general militia out plexing.

I'll pvp with you, I'm a newb but I too have been looking for some PVP action....

There will probably need to be some hand holding though as I literally am just now getting done with the tutorial missions. I do fly a cruiser though.... had a buddy IRL give me enough to purchase a few cruisers so the rick factor isnt really there for me.

All of these things.


Despite CCP and the general EVE Community who tote FW as some kind of intro-level PVP, it isn't. The social dynamics within the militia make it hard for new players to get involved in FW if they don't have an "in" (veterans who look out for them/invite them to fleets, etc) or "prove themselves" which takes time and hard work to be active and show yourself as a competent pilot.

FW is as much of an end-game as Nullsec; certainly, the caliber of the average pilot is comparable if not swayed in the favor of Faction Warfare.

Genova & Sylvannus Kin, I'm not sure if either of you are interested, but we are running a corp in Caldari Militia that is open to new guys with low skills or people new to PVP. It's pretty hard for new guys to get into the active FW gangs due to spy stuff which is one of the reasons we are doing what we are doing.

We are just now starting to get a decent amount of players in the corp so the activity is starting to grow and things are slowly starting to shape up on the Caldari side. We are essentially trying to take new or in-experienced players to get them up to speed to allow us to run competent gangs.

You are welcome to jump over to the Caldari side with us now, or join our new Amarr corp that will have the same purpose. The Amarr corp isn't in Militia yet (it will join in a few days) but it will share joint channels & coms with our Caldari corp and both will work very closely together (essentially there will be a non official alliance between both corps).

We are trying to focus on small gang warfare so we tend to stay away from the big Militia blobs but we will be roaming both war fronts once we get the Amarr corp up & running and we already take side trips out to NPC null sec.

Anyway, I wont be on much the next 2 days, but feel free to send me a EVEmail if you are interested, as we are trying to help solve the issues many new guys face when first joining FW. We also are not a corp that will EMO rage if you lose ships as we tend to understand new guys are going to lose a lot of stuff while learning. We prefer you don't just give silly losses away, but regardless we aren't going to rage if you lose something.

/cheers

Don't be discouraged Genova, Get yourself a big stock of frigs and destroyers with cheap fittings and get out into space.

Check the militia killboards for ideas about good fits for different ships.

Once you have some history behind you it will be easier for you to join a player corp who can help you improve your pvp skills.

Thanks everyone for all of the responses, suggestions, and offers. Work and other obligations have been sucking up my time recently, so I've barely logged on to do some PI stuff over the past few days, but I will definitely follow up and respond in more detail. I have already made a post in the Red vs. Blue thread. I'm looking forward to getting into more fights, soon.