EVE General Discussion

Then why dont you elect pro-highsec CSM's instead?

In the past years i've seen hundreds of posts claiming lowsec is the minority, and CCP should be focusing their updates, patches and rules in favor of the highsec 'majority'. Right now, there are many posts talking about how CSM elections are 'unfair' because Mittani will probably be re-elected and continue his reign of terrorizing the highsec population.

But, where does the logic come from? If you're being out-voted, that should indicate that YOU are the minority, no?

Its a hard position to be in, when you believe in one thing, and facts point at another.

Voting blocs. Null sec is divided into a handful of large ones while High sec is divided into innumerable small ones.

Do something about it then? I mean, other then whine and beg for CCP to place your candidates by hand into the CSM

How shall we vote oh wise and deserved slave master, please tell us what to do, we are totally incapable of making any discernment for ourselves. And sorry for distrubing your special snowflake privaledges for talking about it on a public forum. It will never happen again.

Funny however that you place so much emphasis on regional bias, rather than a candidates manifesto ideas and beliefs?

Oh, don't get the wrong idea. I have no interest in the CSM or its election other than to sell my votes to the highest bidder. Just pointing out the fallacy in your logic.

in null, somebody can say in alliance chat "vote for me" and he is in the CSM.

in high sec that won't work since its far more fragmented.

There are a handful of problems with high sec as a voting bloc. First and foremost, yes it is by far the majority. Second, it's so damned HUGE. Lo and null sec (especially) residents tend to be in corps that are in alliances. There's a ready organizational tool, corp chat, and CEOs can commiserate easily, and more readily especially where concerns increases of power and influence. Lacking this, the sheer size of high sec becomes a formidable obstacle.

A way around this might be to have members of a campaign committee in the various NPC corp chats. You could reach an average of 200 people per campaigner that way. However, to reach the entire NPC corp, one would have to practically live in corp chat 24/7 for weeks, possibly months. It's doable, but would require considerable effort.

To truly represent hi sec, you can't leave out the high sec corps, and honey there are a ton of those. It's hard to determine which are active, and which are not, so targeting specific ones is a bit on the hit or miss side. Along with this, it's likely player corps will have more specific issues which concern them, and will likely expect consideration beyond what the average player in an NPC corp would expect. (One hand washes the other, so to speak.) Yet, it's doable, but would take some months organizing a mailing list, ginning up material for spots on websites, or membership mailouts.

Despite conventional wisdom, even if it's hi sec, it isn't homogenious. Region differs from region. Constellation from constellation, and in some areas systems (even next to each other) differ from systems. To understand what you're representing you'd have to either acquaint yourself with the issues of the areas involved, or narrow down the areas you claim to represent to those you know something about. (Who's got the icebelts? Who's got the markets? Who's next to BOSENA, for instance.) Again, this is doable, but we're starting to see the need for a competant staff about now...

Yes, you can try to catch traffic in the major market hubs. Using local to toss in campaign notices; in local at Jita means fighting the atomic chat scroll. Rens isn't nearly as bad, and someone might have luck spending time there as a crossroads in Minmatar areas. Amarr is not as bad as Jita by a long shot, but it would still present itself as a challenge.

What you're after is NAME RECOGNITION. There's usually quite a slate of candidates. You want people looking for your name on the list...including how it's SPELLED, or close. Repetition is the rule of thumb, without being boring, or (especially) annoying. Being in local you're going to be asked questions, and having ready answers that don't sound like spur of the moment manufactured BS would take some preparation. Dropping in and chatting off the cuff might do more to make one look foolish, than useful.

All of this would take organization of a committee, and the dedicated work of a few individuals that would consume hours a day, every day of the week, months in advance all the way up to election day, when during THAT week (or so) "getting out the vote" would become essential. Sure, you're a good idea for CSM. Getting people to the website to cast that vote - more a matter of jarring memories in our digital world - and again without being annoying, is that priority.

Given all this, losing looms large as a possibility. It may take a couple of attempts to realize success. But, if done well, folks will begin to learn who you are, that you care, understand and are prepared to represent them in a true democratic fashion, rather than the well-known oligarchical fashion the CSM is run with today.

tl;dr? Then, don't try to run for office.

PS Those that tell you how easy this is, and how successful someone was...fearmongering....check the numbers of how many votes were actually cast, and how many these "winners" actually got to win...compared to the alleged size of the player base...peanuts...a mere pittance...this could be GOOD.

i know more than 100 people in this game and none of them ever come to this forum. im the only one and i only come here to troll. most of them could not care less about the politics of the game

Because most of the CSM haters who post on this forum about how "fail" the CSM is because its "dominated by null sec blocks" are EXACTLY the same idiots who were posting 12 months ago that the CSM is "fail" because CCP doesn't listen to it anyway, and the way to "fix" the CSM is to screw around with the voting system so that someone they don't personally like doesn't get in.

And we would need to organize and have "good" candidates