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In our alliance anyone can be their own CEO.
If you read the recruit post you will see it's a win-win situation, and in the end about to have fun without obligations.
Wouldn't work ofc for space holding alliances.

I've read this thread, although not exactly because of the title. Thread cleaned of offtopic posts; please keep it civil. I agree that the corporation management system could use some love (putting it mildly) and would be happy to hear your ideas and suggestions and pass them along to the dev team.

I have been the recruitment director and diplomat for a corp for several years now. Because of this im also well aware over how easy it is to get burned out. There is no real sulotion to it sadly.

The recruitment is what took the hardest toll on me.
Lets face it. Recruitment is not fun which is why so few people want the job,and those that do want it normally just wants a fancy title to brag about. Its first the half year or so i started to assign roles to other people in the corp so that they could help me out. Its rather simple. All they can do is accept applications,nothing else.

They have their own seperate section on our forums where they can list the people they talk to,their interests and basic information and ofc gets trained on what to look for and what kind of people i want them to recruit.

But ofc as most people will know,if your a director you wont just have to deal with the roles you are assigned. There are so many other small things you have to deal with. So and so member is unhappy because of this thing,that member is unhappy about something else,this guy is pissed because of something completely different. The sad truth is,even in a game,you can never make everyone happy and you need to adjust to the idea that you will get yelled at,you will have people bitching at you and ofc everyone expects you to have a magic wand you can wave around and make all their problems go away.

So many people come into the role and say "I can do this! I would be awesome at it!",you decide to give them a chanse and 3 months later they ragequit because of pure exhaustion. Small hint to you new CEO's out there..never ever give director roles to the person who asks for them,or tries to pressure you into giving it to them. It will just end bad for everyone involved.

During my 8 years or so in EVE i have taken a total of 3 breaks. Im guessing it almost comes up to a half year total. During this time i have done nothing but change skills and some very basic stuff. Sadly if you loose a director like this,especially in a role that is hard to replace,this can be very bad for the corp. Thus i needed to find a way around it.

After my last break this summer i realized that i have to stop putting all my time into EVE. I need something else on the side,no matter what it is,just something that i can play where i actually enjoy my self. I know it sounds silly but honestly when you take on a director role you wont have the abilety to have fun in EVE like you used to
Think my record has been 4 months or so where i never had the chanse to actually undock because there was always something that needed to be taken care off.

The scary thing is that if i now resigned,i wouldent know what to do with all my spare time in EVE. I would undock and feel completely lost lol.

So here is my advice. If your a director or the CEO,dont let EVE run your life. Do something that you find fun once in a while. If you have good corp members and directors they will be able to pick up teh slack the two days a week you take to do something else. Weather or not this is a weekend vecation with your better half,or decide to go fishing on some cabin or just taking a long drive across the country,or playing a completely different game. For me Unreal tournament was a blessing a few years back. Was always nice immagioning that it was pesky corp members heads you blew off

Now for those that are thinking about starting a corp or taking this role. Think really hard about what your getting your self into. Remember that it might look easy,but there is so many things going on in the background that you as a member are spared of seeing and never have to worry about or consider. Being a director or the CEO is not easy,and its not a job that anyone can do.

Many thanks for the response.

I will make a detailed post in the next 24-48 hours outlining my ideas.

Yeah, many alliances/corporations turn the game into a chore/job. That is the major problem.

You're required to fill a quota, whatever it is, and your entire corporation stresses over filling the quota each month.

I've personally been booted from Dreddit and u-208, not because of the Corporation but because of the ALLIANCE
u-208/BLADE guys didnt want to boot me, they had no choice. It was an ultimatum by the alliance leader, Daniel Jedi because i sold him a 15 mil anathema ("ripping off the alliance")

And then i was booted from Dreddit/TEST because i hang out in a channel with an ex corpmate, who's now in PL (and actually i think he's quit or been banned from the game, i havent seen him in like a year)



Anyway, my point is, theres too many people making this game into a chore, and not enough people having fun. SOV warfare isnt much different then rock chewing most of the time (nobody shows up to defend the POS)

Almost all the alliances i've been in, have very similar roams: 50 people undock, jump about 40-70 systems around the area, find 2 or 3 kills. return. Bleh. Theres no incentive to fight anymore. My corp has been in situations where we would evemail our enemies and beg them to fight us, giving them fair or better odds... Agreeing on fleet compositions and everything... sometimes they'd accept out of mutal bordom! WTF?

if its 50 vs 50, chances are AT LEAST one side will run home frightened of the odds. People dont fight unless they are convinced they will win.

Safespot Bookmarks around every single 0.0 gate makes 0.0 travel nearly guarenteed. (100% guarenteed if you send your alt in a rifter first)


There are far too many ways to avoid combat, and nowhere near enough ways to actually gank people.

Intercepter lands on a blob? jump gate! hold 15 seconds, reapproach+mwd, jump, repeat until you get away... or until your enemy gets bored and leaves

Too bad that intercepter was the scout for the only other pvp gang in the area, and now they wont come fight you because they see you're ballzy enough to gatecamp

Part of me is scared to say this next bit, im horrified at the prospect and realize it does 'destroy eve', but... pvp on SiSi is a lot more fun... people actually fight there. Because their ship cost them 100 isk instead of 100,000,000 isk.

As a former burnout myself, I fully know what Jack is on about, tho he spends many words saying it

Having a close leader team as many have pointed out, is definitely one of the ways to ensure your corporation stays operational and able to function, but it also has it's challenges.

A small team is quite vulnereable once RL issues occur. EVE life can be hard to combine with family life, 90 hour work weeks, or just the occational trip out from your EVE lair in dark corner of the basement, so you want to put in place an organization that can handle these scenarios

How do you allow people to prove themselves without giving them access ? How do you know the nice chap won't clean out the coffers once you give him access to stuff ? How do you empower your members gradually and give them a sense of accomplishment and responsibility ?

The last bit especially is hard to accomplish in EVE, especially in a corporation with a broad range of activities. The roles and access matrix in EVE can cope with a few main activities such as f.ex a pure mining corp, but is not adequately suited for more diversified activites. Take something such as hangar access. You're either based at, at HQ, or Other... and every damned POS you own is Other Container access is another nifty example. You can password protect a can, so you can give different access to different cans in the hangar, but since the containers themselves cannot be locked down in that hangar, it kind of defeats the purpose.

Basically EVE lacks the mechanisms on a corporate level to gradually empower the corp members in a diversified corp, without risking very many expensive eggs in one basket. The common workaround: Alt-Corps. Wallet Corp, T2 Corp, Capproduction Corp, etc etc. Which in turn gives directors and CEO a character overload....

easy peasy stuff - just allow your members to govern themselves.

Someone will have an idea to do stuff, facilitate ... and encourage them to pick their own helpers.

If you are doing too much you are trying too hard. NEVER forget to have fun. If someone complaints just tell them to forget about it and do whatever they think is fun.

Forced hand (war decs, pos fuelling crap ...) --- Anyone who doesn't like it can just lay low and do something else (leave the corp to avoid the dec or whatever) and come back when they feel better.

Seriously, don't do serious. Do fun and allow people just to have fun.

Yeah so that previous 24-48 hours promise I made didn't go according to plan. Work has been really busy and havn't been able to post as promised! But it's the weekend :P

I will likely post them in separate threads in the ideas forum and then provide links in this thread.

Stay tuned ... I have not abandoned ...

Suggestions are up - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=776770#post776770