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Issler Dainze for CSM7! Hear the bears roar!

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Doris Dents
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2012-02-01 20:00:44 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
I don't represent people who want WiS to be prioritized over spaceships or love virtual pants, either.


This is the false argument that is always offered to support the anti-ambulation platform of many of the CSM 6 and the ambulation haters.

No one is suggesting ambulation be prioritized over FiS. Many, however want it to remain in plan and get some reasonable amount of resources applied to it.

The currentl CSM seemed however to want a stake dirven through the heart of ambulation, somehow trying to make the argument that it can't be worked on in any way without destroying FiS. Of course most of these same folks would like CCP working on all manner of nul sec mechanics and features that 80% of the Eve player base couldn't care less about while ignoring most FiS content those 80% would love to see.

Issler Dainze
Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate.

Space Barbie got 1 1/2 years of dev time while FiS rotted on the vine with a joke of a skeleton crew and subs dropped off a cliff. I think it's done quite enough damage and sucked up enough resources already. WoD is dead and buried so I can't see CCP chucking more money and goodwill down that bottomless hole anyhow.
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#122 - 2012-02-01 20:03:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Seleene
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I insist: Crucible did NOTHING for me and many other players like me.


Improvements to the Fitting Window
Reduction in session change timer
Improved Commands
Drones try to return when hit warp
Scan Signature Filter
Market-to-Chat Dragging
Map Options Window Changes
Chat MotD
Skill Queue Dragging
Market Links in 'Show Info' Window
Container Filter for Assets
Rubber Band Selection
Corporation Locations (Bookmarks)
UI Scaling
Ship Spinning Counter
Blueprint type in Killmails
Implants in KillMails
Fitting List Limit Raised
Per-Ship Orbit
Loot All option
Rebalanced Destroyers
Logistics Ship Balancing
Hybrid Weapon Balancing
Customs Offices
Time Dilation
Full Avatar Portrait Viewer
Engine Trails
Fleet Watch list Member Increase
Drag and Drop Members in Fleet Watch lists
Assault Frigate Balancing
New Neocom

GODDAMN LOOK AT ALL THAT NOTHING.

That IS what you said, yes? That Crucible did NOTHING for you? Wow, look at all that null-sec bias!! Lol

I suppose now you will say that all of that stuff would have happened anyway, without a CSM? If so, you are lying to yourself and enjoy being ignorant.

Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
And your goal is that the CSM goes for more Crucible and only more Crucible.


My goal is that CCP continue to finish and iterate on every area that they have neglected over the past NINE YEARS, not just the past 18 months. Cripes, I'd be happy to see serious time put into making mining more interesting!

You are literally the worst kind of troll, one that spreads mis-information while completely ignoring facts that are only a couple of clicks away. EvilUgh

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#123 - 2012-02-01 20:10:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Seleene wrote:
Cripes, I'd be happy to see serious time put into making mining more interesting!

If/when those drones in the drone regions get changed, I'm sure you'll have a lotmore miner friends around.

What about some kind of new miner ship that's say oh 10bil, uses 8 strip miners and can't dock? Then miners (not just mining boosters) can play in Supercaps Online. Similar to the hulk, it will doubtless have no need of a serious tank, being a purely PvA (player vs asteroid) ship.

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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#124 - 2012-02-01 20:10:50 UTC
Doris Dents wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
I don't represent people who want WiS to be prioritized over spaceships or love virtual pants, either.


This is the false argument that is always offered to support the anti-ambulation platform of many of the CSM 6 and the ambulation haters.

No one is suggesting ambulation be prioritized over FiS. Many, however want it to remain in plan and get some reasonable amount of resources applied to it.

The currentl CSM seemed however to want a stake dirven through the heart of ambulation, somehow trying to make the argument that it can't be worked on in any way without destroying FiS. Of course most of these same folks would like CCP working on all manner of nul sec mechanics and features that 80% of the Eve player base couldn't care less about while ignoring most FiS content those 80% would love to see.

Issler Dainze
Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate.

Space Barbie got 1 1/2 years of dev time while FiS rotted on the vine with a joke of a skeleton crew and subs dropped off a cliff. I think it's done quite enough damage and sucked up enough resources already. WoD is dead and buried so I can't see CCP chucking more money and goodwill down that bottomless hole anyhow.


Just to make something clear - CCP did not fire 20% of their employees, including the entire WOD Art staff and most of the technical programmers, because they planned to keep dumping enormous amounts of money into a development black hole. Have no doubt whatsoever that this is a direct result of their ADMITTED disastrous roll out of Incarna. Absolutely NOTHING that the CSM or players say at this point is going to change CCP's development direction for at least the next 12 months (spaceships).

One more time - even CSM 6 isn't trying to drive a stake through anything. CCP did that themselves. NO ONE is going to change their mind at this point. This is not MY OPINION, it's just the way it is. I've no doubt that at some point in the future, CCP will resume serious work on Incarna but, and this is a big BUT, when they do they will do it very carefully because they know they will only have one more chance to get it right.

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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#125 - 2012-02-01 20:12:08 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Seleene wrote:
Cripes, I'd be happy to see serious time put into making mining more interesting!

If/when those drones in the drone regions get changed, I'm sure you'll have a lotmore miner friends around.

What about some kind of new miner ship that's say oh 10bil, uses 8 strip miners and can't dock? Then miners (not just mining boosters) can play in Supercaps Online.


How about an Asteroid Doomsday that can harvest an entire field in one shot?! ShockedCool

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#126 - 2012-02-01 20:23:57 UTC
Doris Dents wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
I don't represent people who want WiS to be prioritized over spaceships or love virtual pants, either.


This is the false argument that is always offered to support the anti-ambulation platform of many of the CSM 6 and the ambulation haters.

No one is suggesting ambulation be prioritized over FiS. Many, however want it to remain in plan and get some reasonable amount of resources applied to it.

The currentl CSM seemed however to want a stake dirven through the heart of ambulation, somehow trying to make the argument that it can't be worked on in any way without destroying FiS. Of course most of these same folks would like CCP working on all manner of nul sec mechanics and features that 80% of the Eve player base couldn't care less about while ignoring most FiS content those 80% would love to see.

Issler Dainze
Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate.

Space Barbie got 1 1/2 years of dev time while FiS rotted on the vine with a joke of a skeleton crew and subs dropped off a cliff. I think it's done quite enough damage and sucked up enough resources already. WoD is dead and buried so I can't see CCP chucking more money and goodwill down that bottomless hole anyhow.


Again, a classic mistatement of the truth.

CCP dumped a lot of resources into other games including one with vampires while ignoring the cash cow that is Eve to fund their folly. They spent a little resource to test the tech in Eve and that is now the captains jail cell.

CCP promised ambulation, which will dramatically increase the popularity of Eve in general then played the cup and the pea game while they built vampires and we ended up with something that got no where near the promise they made to us.

You ambulation haters can go on and rant "space barbie" all you want but the fact is a lot of people in Eve today want ambulation. And to let CCP forget that is a disservice on the part of the CSM to the player base they are intended to support.

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#127 - 2012-02-01 20:25:43 UTC
Seleene wrote:
Doris Dents wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
I don't represent people who want WiS to be prioritized over spaceships or love virtual pants, either.


This is the false argument that is always offered to support the anti-ambulation platform of many of the CSM 6 and the ambulation haters.

No one is suggesting ambulation be prioritized over FiS. Many, however want it to remain in plan and get some reasonable amount of resources applied to it.

The currentl CSM seemed however to want a stake dirven through the heart of ambulation, somehow trying to make the argument that it can't be worked on in any way without destroying FiS. Of course most of these same folks would like CCP working on all manner of nul sec mechanics and features that 80% of the Eve player base couldn't care less about while ignoring most FiS content those 80% would love to see.

Issler Dainze
Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate.

Space Barbie got 1 1/2 years of dev time while FiS rotted on the vine with a joke of a skeleton crew and subs dropped off a cliff. I think it's done quite enough damage and sucked up enough resources already. WoD is dead and buried so I can't see CCP chucking more money and goodwill down that bottomless hole anyhow.


Just to make something clear - CCP did not fire 20% of their employees, including the entire WOD Art staff and most of the technical programmers, because they planned to keep dumping enormous amounts of money into a development black hole. Have no doubt whatsoever that this is a direct result of their ADMITTED disastrous roll out of Incarna. Absolutely NOTHING that the CSM or players say at this point is going to change CCP's development direction for at least the next 12 months (spaceships).

One more time - even CSM 6 isn't trying to drive a stake through anything. CCP did that themselves. NO ONE is going to change their mind at this point. This is not MY OPINION, it's just the way it is. I've no doubt that at some point in the future, CCP will resume serious work on Incarna but, and this is a big BUT, when they do they will do it very carefully because they know they will only have one more chance to get it right.


The CSM 6 Overlord seems to make it clear the CSM did want to drive a stake through ambulation, so maybe y'all should get your messaging straight.

Issler
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#128 - 2012-02-01 20:32:43 UTC
Seleene wrote:
How about an Asteroid Doomsday that can harvest an entire field in one shot?! ShockedCool

We don't have AOE doomsdays for a reason.

Insta-harvesting one asteroid should be good enough. (If its unbalanced give it lower cooldown). You'll have to scan the asteroids to see which one is worth grabbing, and of course make sure your friends don't touch it (if you have several which you will grab in due time) to maximize the potential of the MiningsDay SuperStripMiner.

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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#129 - 2012-02-01 20:36:18 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Seleene wrote:
Doris Dents wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
I don't represent people who want WiS to be prioritized over spaceships or love virtual pants, either.


This is the false argument that is always offered to support the anti-ambulation platform of many of the CSM 6 and the ambulation haters.

No one is suggesting ambulation be prioritized over FiS. Many, however want it to remain in plan and get some reasonable amount of resources applied to it.

The currentl CSM seemed however to want a stake dirven through the heart of ambulation, somehow trying to make the argument that it can't be worked on in any way without destroying FiS. Of course most of these same folks would like CCP working on all manner of nul sec mechanics and features that 80% of the Eve player base couldn't care less about while ignoring most FiS content those 80% would love to see.

Issler Dainze
Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate.

Space Barbie got 1 1/2 years of dev time while FiS rotted on the vine with a joke of a skeleton crew and subs dropped off a cliff. I think it's done quite enough damage and sucked up enough resources already. WoD is dead and buried so I can't see CCP chucking more money and goodwill down that bottomless hole anyhow.


Just to make something clear - CCP did not fire 20% of their employees, including the entire WOD Art staff and most of the technical programmers, because they planned to keep dumping enormous amounts of money into a development black hole. Have no doubt whatsoever that this is a direct result of their ADMITTED disastrous roll out of Incarna. Absolutely NOTHING that the CSM or players say at this point is going to change CCP's development direction for at least the next 12 months (spaceships).

One more time - even CSM 6 isn't trying to drive a stake through anything. CCP did that themselves. NO ONE is going to change their mind at this point. This is not MY OPINION, it's just the way it is. I've no doubt that at some point in the future, CCP will resume serious work on Incarna but, and this is a big BUT, when they do they will do it very carefully because they know they will only have one more chance to get it right.


The CSM 6 Overlord seems to make it clear the CSM did want to drive a stake through ambulation, so maybe y'all should get your messaging straight.

Issler


Heh, I'm not trying to message anything. I'm just telling it like it is. v0v

My message is just fine. Mittens can speak for himself as well.

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#130 - 2012-02-01 20:38:17 UTC
Seleene wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I insist: Crucible did NOTHING for me and many other players like me.


Cripes, I'd be happy to see serious time put into making mining more interesting!


So why didn't you make any effort in the CSM 6 to get that to happen?

To be fair, there are some very good things in that list, a lot of them are more patch worthy than what I expect from an expansion, some of them most of us could care less about (time dilation for example), some I think were net negative like POCOs and most would have happened without the CSM 6. The new Neocom was coming regardless of the CSM 6, as were most of the balancing items mentioned.

So I don't want to be a blanket detractor of the CSM 6 but could you identify the items in your list you attribute to the CSM 6 and not something what was in queue and happening already.

I'll save you some time, not much because given the very short dev window CCP faced to produce Crucibile, all the big items were already being developed.

Issler
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#131 - 2012-02-01 20:50:31 UTC
Let me see...

Seleene's list of things that should thrill me and keep me subscribed and playing EVE because I didn't got them for three years:

Improvements to the Fitting Window -not gameplay
Reduction in session change timer -not gameplay
Improved Commands - not gameplay
Drones try to return when hit warp -minor issue
Scan Signature Filter -no use
Market-to-Chat Dragging -no use
Map Options Window Changes -no use
Chat MotD -WTF?
Skill Queue Dragging -minor issue
Market Links in 'Show Info' Window -no use
Container Filter for Assets -no use
Rubber Band Selection -no use
Corporation Locations (Bookmarks) -no use
UI Scaling -not gameplay
Ship Spinning Counter -come on...
Blueprint type in Killmails -no use
Implants in KillMails -no use
Fitting List Limit Raised -no use
Per-Ship Orbit -no use
Loot All option -could had used a year ago, when I hadn't ran more than 2,000 times the same bloody missions
Rebalanced Destroyers - no use
Logistics Ship Balancing -no use
Hybrid Weapon Balancing -no use
Customs Offices -no use
Time Dilation -no use
Full Avatar Portrait Viewer -minor issue (very minor provided how abandoned is the NEx)
Engine Trails -no gameplay
Fleet Watch list Member Increase -no use
Drag and Drop Members in Fleet Watch lists -no use
Assault Frigate Balancing -no use
New Neocom -no use

Did you said anything interesting yet? -yawn-

Should I be thrilled to be stuck with exactly the same gameplay that interested me for three years and now lost all shine, and see how all effort is wasted in what failed to interest me for three years? All while something new that interested me is abandoned and gets FIVE developers assigned to it?

You must be kidding. i think you have not been reading me, nor my main Ishtanchuk while she was active, and you really don't know how much effort I have wasted putting forward suggestions that you bloody CSM dismiss as they're part of that 80% of the game you plant to actively don't give a damn if you get elected.
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#132 - 2012-02-01 21:07:04 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
You ambulation haters can go on and rant "space barbie" all you want but the fact is a lot of people in Eve today want ambulation. And to let CCP forget that is a disservice on the part of the CSM to the player base they are intended to support.


CCP isn't going to forget anything and they don't need anyone to remind them people still want an Incarna that actually works.

Issler Dainze wrote:
So I don't want to be a blanket detractor of the CSM 6 but could you identify the items in your list you attribute to the CSM 6 and not something what was in queue and happening already. I'll save you some time, not much because given the very short dev window CCP faced to produce Crucibile, all the big items were already being developed.


You're wrong, but do you really care? Good luck in the election. Smile

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#133 - 2012-02-01 21:14:57 UTC
Seleene wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
You ambulation haters can go on and rant "space barbie" all you want but the fact is a lot of people in Eve today want ambulation. And to let CCP forget that is a disservice on the part of the CSM to the player base they are intended to support.


CCP isn't going to forget anything and they don't need anyone to remind them people still want an Incarna that actually works.

Issler Dainze wrote:
So I don't want to be a blanket detractor of the CSM 6 but could you identify the items in your list you attribute to the CSM 6 and not something what was in queue and happening already. I'll save you some time, not much because given the very short dev window CCP faced to produce Crucibile, all the big items were already being developed.


You're wrong, but do you really care? Good luck in the election. Smile


When CCP gets back to work in Incarna, it is very likely that they will no longer have any subscribers interested in it nor willing to trust them about their intent of doing it.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#134 - 2012-02-01 21:36:05 UTC
i propose we have an in-game political rally for the carebear party

might i suggest the ice belt of Brapelle, in mackinaws?

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#135 - 2012-02-01 21:42:56 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
i propose we have an in-game political rally for the carebear party

might i suggest the ice belt of Brapelle, in mackinaws?


blapelille

you see it's a joke because we blap things there lol!!!!

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The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#136 - 2012-02-01 22:07:10 UTC  |  Edited by: The Mittani
Issler Dainze wrote:


The CSM 6 Overlord seems to make it clear the CSM did want to drive a stake through ambulation, so maybe y'all should get your messaging straight.

Issler


yes yes, a coherent media messaging strategy from CSM6 which got dramatic, effective results means i'm an ~overlord~ and we have to keep in lockstep on the forums

i don't mind you running, but don't spew childish hyperbole without having done your research; csm6 offers a variety of wildly different opinions on a broad spectrum of issues - but when it comes to pressure tactics, we get the job done as a unit, for the benefit of all (unless you don't like Crucible and loved Incarna, in which case i magnanimously welcome your spite).

the idea that i control seleene or trebor is simply laughable - and if you repeat such tosh, your candidacy will be too.

edit:

i see you claim we've done no work on mining, when we've spent quite a bit of time discussing the drone alloy situation with ccp and that's in the minutes, too, and is likely to be solved soon. consider me mildly annoyed by your obvious, easily dismissed falsehoods.

~hi~
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#137 - 2012-02-01 22:17:02 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:


The CSM 6 Overlord seems to make it clear the CSM did want to drive a stake through ambulation, so maybe y'all should get your messaging straight.

Issler


yes yes, a coherent media messaging strategy from CSM6 which got dramatic, effective results means i'm an ~overlord~ and we have to keep in lockstep on the forums

i don't mind you running, but don't spew childish hyperbole without having done your research; csm6 offers a variety of wildly different opinions on a broad spectrum of issues - but when it comes to pressure tactics, we get the job done as a unit, for the benefit of all (unless you don't like Crucible and loved Incarna, in which case i magnanimously welcome your spite).

the idea that i control seleene or trebor is simply laughable - and if you repeat such tosh, your candidacy will be too.


I really hope that a couple of these argle blargle candidates can get in so a few months down the line eve-o forum alts accuse them of being controlled by Evil Mittens' Brainwashing Lasers as well.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#138 - 2012-02-01 22:32:58 UTC
The Mittani wrote:


i see you claim we've done no work on mining, when we've spent quite a bit of time discussing the drone alloy situation with ccp and that's in the minutes, too, and is likely to be solved soon. consider me mildly annoyed by your obvious, easily dismissed falsehoods.


That is about nul and not the daily high sec belt miner. When I talk about real improvmements in the mining experience I'm talking about how mining works for the average player.

Noodling with sources of high end minerals will affect markets to be sure but the majority of miners won't notice a thing. They don't mine the ore those minerals come from.

Thanks for a great example of the basic disconnect that CSM 6 has with the average "carebear" miner.

Issler
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#139 - 2012-02-01 22:37:18 UTC
Why should a hisec player support you over Trebor, who has a proven record of consistent support for the same constituency you claim to represent?

Is it that Trebor is skeptical of Incarna, and you prioritize 'ambulation' as something of value?

~hi~
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#140 - 2012-02-01 22:41:59 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
The Mittani wrote:


i see you claim we've done no work on mining, when we've spent quite a bit of time discussing the drone alloy situation with ccp and that's in the minutes, too, and is likely to be solved soon. consider me mildly annoyed by your obvious, easily dismissed falsehoods.


That is about nul and not the daily high sec belt miner. When I talk about real improvmements in the mining experience I'm talking about how mining works for the average player.

Noodling with sources of high end minerals will affect markets to be sure but the majority of miners won't notice a thing. They don't mine the ore those minerals come from.

Thanks for a great example of the basic disconnect that CSM 6 has with the average "carebear" miner.

Issler


hello issler

i hate to pull your pants down in front of the entire class but drone alloys are the biggest source of low-ends in the game, the things the average miner mines

i hope this was edifying to you!

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.