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Highsec Concerns about CSM- no representation? Highsec's fault? Help from CCP?
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The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#121 - 2012-02-01 16:33:46 UTC
the actual number of 'hisec players' in eve is radically overestimated, i suspect, because so much of hisec is secretly a low, null or w-space alt

the actual pure hisec players have a comical view of being in the majority and are very self-righteous, while they are literally surrounded by people who hold them in utter contempt

well, see yah

~hi~
bilingi
Grandeur Illusions
#122 - 2012-02-01 16:34:08 UTC  |  Edited by: bilingi
Whats really funny Ank was right.. They did come after missions... PI in high sec.. WHs etc etc Sort of funny yall called her crazy yet she was right.... even funnyer She at least knew worm holes werent 0.0 unlike current chair HAHAHAHAHA THATS FUNNY Big smile

Plus who cares about CSM i cancelled 5 of 6 accounts already if they keep babysitting the Nullsec RMters I will just cancel it. No biggie..
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#123 - 2012-02-01 16:48:07 UTC
It is true that the hi seccers are surrounded by people who hold them in utter contemp, why its so hard to get to low sec or so.

Besides there are only hi numbers in hi sec, cause of war dec alliances that like to pick on the carebears and such. As well as jita.

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Ganagati
Perkone
Caldari State
#124 - 2012-02-01 18:06:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ganagati
The Mittani wrote:
the actual number of 'hisec players' in eve is radically overestimated, i suspect, because so much of hisec is secretly a low, null or w-space alt

the actual pure hisec players have a comical view of being in the majority and are very self-righteous, while they are literally surrounded by people who hold them in utter contempt

well, see yah


Wow... this is basically the perfect example of why highsec players are scared that they have little to no representation and that the CSM would screw them over the first chance they got. Add in the basely guesses and assumptions vs real, graphically represented numbers from a CCP employee simply because the current statistics don't work in favor of his own personal beliefs and you have a real winner here.

Folks, I present to you your CSM.

smh

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J Kunjeh
#125 - 2012-02-01 18:22:50 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

I am not denying that they are major aspects of the game, however combat (when will people ever learn that everything you do involves competing against other players?) is the main focus of the game.


Sorry, but you're dead wrong. Sure, without things exploding, the rest of the game would be at a stand-still, but that doesn't mean that combat is the whole focus of this game...it's just the thing that greases the wheels. The focus of this game is WHATEVER YOU DECIDE IS MOST FUN FOR YOU...simple.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#126 - 2012-02-01 18:24:19 UTC
Ganagati wrote:
Add in the basely guesses and assumptions vs real, graphically represented numbers from a CCP employee simply because the current statistics don't work in favor of his own personal beliefs and you have a real winner here.
You mean those numbers that show 66% of characters being parked in highsec stations, rather than the 80% of players that highseccer so often like to guess or assume?

You mean those numbers that say the average account has just over 2 characters, meaning that every non-highsec character can quite easily cancel out one highsec character the the purpose of determining how many accounts are actual highseccers?

You mean those numbers which (even on CCP's end) guestimate just under 2 accounts per person — higher for non-highsec players, lower for highseccers?

You mean those numbers that, when combined, would mean that maybe 40% of the players are actually proper highsec players?
Berke Negri
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#127 - 2012-02-01 18:26:04 UTC
that people feel self-righteous over running L4s or mining all day alone by themselves in hi-sec is utterly baffling to me
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#128 - 2012-02-01 18:32:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
The Mittani wrote:
the actual number of 'hisec players' in eve is radically overestimated, i suspect, because so much of hisec is secretly a low, null or w-space alt

the actual pure hisec players have a comical view of being in the majority and are very self-righteous, while they are literally surrounded by people who hold them in utter contempt

That would be interesting numbers which we'll never see. Jita at least (maybe some other market systems) would be chock full of market alts.
Ganagati wrote:
Wow... this is basically the perfect example of why highsec players are scared that they have little to no representation and that the CSM would screw them over the first chance they got. Add in the basely guesses and assumptions vs real, graphically represented numbers from a CCP employee simply because the current statistics don't work in favor of his own personal beliefs and you have a real winner here.

Folks, I present to you your CSM.

I - I think I'm in love.

I don't think the CSM would really screw over highsec just for the sake of screwing them over. Surely they have better things to do like encouraging CCP to make the new Mega Capital class ship (to counter Titans, ofc it would be balanced by the cost ... wait a sec). I kid. Death to supercaps!
J Kunjeh wrote:
but that doesn't mean that combat is the whole focus of this game...it's just the thing that greases the wheels

And I always thought the miners and such were greasing the wheels of explosions in Superalliances-in-Null Online. So the game is about mining and explosions are just a means to the mining, interesting concept.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
J Kunjeh
#129 - 2012-02-01 18:35:49 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
High sec does not need a representative in the CSM in such manner that said rep would "protect" the interests of high sec or seek to improve it.

What is really needed are high sec CSMs who will work on making the game more enthusiastic towards getting out of high sec with additional content that is not limited to who you are renting from or whose pet you are going to be.

Were it up to me to represent high sec in a voting body, I would certainly push for more ways to get people into null without the overhead of corp politics and drama, and most important: something has to be done about the Great Wall of Carebear comprised of gate camps and blob tactics. There are bears on both sides of that wall, by the way, but the warp bubble need to fall to the wayside and the combat probe dominate in need before anything is going to change.


Ummm.....NO! Why do you think the entire goal of HS should be to push people into LS? Some NEVER WANT TO SEE NULL. Get over it.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#130 - 2012-02-01 18:38:27 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
That would be interesting numbers which we'll never see. Jita at least (maybe some other market systems) would be chock full of market alts.
They actually did give out some kind of number to that effect recently. I can't find it right now (might have been Diagoras on Twitter) so the numbers will be off by a bit, but it was something along the lines of only 25% of characters in Jita having more than 5M SP. Sure, some of the remaining 75% might simply be new players, but that's still a whole lot of trade alts.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#131 - 2012-02-01 18:50:29 UTC
Tippia wrote:
something along the lines of only 25% of characters in Jita having more than 5M SP. Sure, some of the remaining 75% might simply be new players, but that's still a whole lot of trade alts.

Well... that's quite amazing. I have a market alt there (who doesn't) but I actually thought ... wait, yeah that makes sense, there couldn't be so many hardcore traders compared to the size of local. Even if you add in the pvpers and the campers. Good to know.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#132 - 2012-02-01 19:08:53 UTC
Just wanted to add that during this discussion botters where botting in the drone lands so they can RMT. Just wanted to start another good flamewar debate. :)

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knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#133 - 2012-02-01 19:48:52 UTC
Don't bring markets hubs like jita into this. Probably half the residents are bots. Why ccp doesn't sit in there with a ban hammer I don't understand.

The Mittani wrote:
the actual number of 'hisec players' in eve is radically overestimated, i suspect, because so much of hisec is secretly a low, null or w-space alt

the actual pure hisec players have a comical view of being in the majority and are very self-righteous, while they are literally surrounded by people who hold them in utter contempt

well, see yah


I honestly think that's not the case. Even the most backwards, ass end of space high sec systems have a constant population but how many are alts? Who knows but all those null bears selling officer mods arent selling them to other null sec players, they're selling them to hardcore mission runners.

As an anecdote, I know around 15 people who play eve (outside of people I've met through eve), either at work or freinds or friends of friends. none of them have set foot in null sec and the only time they're in low sec is because of courier missions. It's anecdotal anyway.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-02-01 19:58:16 UTC
Ganagati wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
the actual number of 'hisec players' in eve is radically overestimated, i suspect, because so much of hisec is secretly a low, null or w-space alt

the actual pure hisec players have a comical view of being in the majority and are very self-righteous, while they are literally surrounded by people who hold them in utter contempt

well, see yah


Wow... this is basically the perfect example of why highsec players are scared that they have little to no representation and that the CSM would screw them over the first chance they got. Add in the basely guesses and assumptions vs real, graphically represented numbers from a CCP employee simply because the current statistics don't work in favor of his own personal beliefs and you have a real winner here.

Folks, I present to you your CSM.

smh


if i lose the hysterical npc corp signs-their-own-posts vote, i'll have to suffer through somehow

according to diagoras 66% of all characters that have more than 5m sp are in hisec. i'm willing to bet that at least 17% of those 66% are alts. dwi~


~hi~