Ships & Modules

While in a fit of inebriation (always a good opening line) a thought came up.

The Taranis has always held a reputation as being one of the "heavyweights" of the frigate class... especially given the many fits that use dual props while still deal sizable amounts of DPS. With the recent changes to Assault Frigates I decided to do some EFT-warrioring (yes, yes... groan, groan, eyeroll) and came up with some interesting results.

[Taranis - Classic Dual-prop]

[Lows]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Reactor Control II

[Mids]
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Warp Scrambler II

[Highs]
Light Ion Blaster II (Antimatter)
Light Ion Blaster II (Antimatter)
Light Ion Blaster II (Antimatter)
(empty)

[Rigs]
Small Hybrid Collision Accelarator I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I

[Drones]
2x Hobgoblin IIs

Notes:
- with MWD it burns at ~3500 m/sec
- with AB it burns at ~1200 m/sec
- deals ~220 DPS
- has ~3800 EHP


Now...

[Enyo - Taranis Wannabe]

[Lows]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Reactive Plating II
Adaptive Plating II

[Mids]
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Warp Scrambler II

[Highs]
Light Neutron Blaster II (Antimatter)
Light Neutron Blaster II (Antimatter)
Light Neutron Blaster II (Antimatter)
Light Neutron Blaster II (Antimatter)
(empty)

[Rigs]
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

[Drones]
1x Hobgoblin II

Notes:
- with MWD it burns at ~2200 m/sec
- with AB it burns at ~800 m/sec
- deals ~250 DPS
- has ~8000 EHP


I'm well aware my "Classic Taranis" fit may not be "optimal" (feel free to toss in your 'ranis fit), but that's not what I'm here to discuss...

TL;DR: Given it's significant EHP advantage... could the Enyo become the new "solo frigate" of Gallente buffs and effectively "replace" the Taranis?

No, it's too slow and cumbersome. You highlight the difference in EHP yet there is also a big difference in speed and agility between the two.

Just one example why this matters: Your 'Ranis fit can outrun a Vagabond but the Enyo cannot.

Edit: I actually think a dual prop AF is a good idea btw and I flew one the other day and loved it. However, it will not replace the fast, dual prop frigates in their role imo.

Obviously the Enyo is going to be a better brawler.... That's not rocket science, it's common sense


Taranis holds a huge speed, sig, and agility advantage over the Enyo albeit one of the slowest Interceptors.

The only things the Ranis has going for it is speed and signature radius, and only that. The Enyo is superior now in every way, hell it'll replace my ishkur. Especially with the buffs to null.

I think it is difficult to compare the two because of the unique roles that each fills, but for a 1v1 brawl (which seems to be the context you are comparing them in), then you are right that the Enyo is superior.

IMHO, the biggest winners from the AF buff (and hybrid rebalancing) are Enyo, Hawk, and Harpy. In that order.

You lost me when I saw a reactor control on a frigate...
And then I dont really care about you comparing an interceptor to an assault frigate?

Neither one of those fits rocks a nos. That's a big mistake IMO.

-Liang

Ed: Also, does the Enyo go 2km/s scrammed? I honestly haven't looked... but it seems like the Taranis should be faster than the Enyo.

[Taranis, ab mwd1]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I

Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I


Hobgoblin II x2

290 dps, 329 dps oh.
mwd: 3650m/s, 5200m/s oh.
ab: 1300m/s, 1700m/s oh.

It´s still the best t2 frigate imo. The speed alone makes it better.

If you're hull tanking your Enyo you're doing it wrong. Btw Enyo does not have "amazing" ehp... You're looking at maybe 7k generally with an explosive hole if you're using your cpu for a mag stab and dcu. Sure you can drop the mag stab for an explosive hardener however you may as well just fly an Ishkur as it will fulfill this role better.


Honestly the whole comparison here is rather pointless...

If you want speed, and gtfo capability fly a ceptor.... If you want a brawling frig fly an AF...

Personal experience these days with Enyo, had also some time on SISI before the changes hit TQ for tests, this little beast starts with ganky fit T2 littel over 300dps no implants or boosters/fleet bonus to get the amazing theoretical 500dps with faction fit and still EHP over the ranis less the speed.

The tanky version (my favourite) goes straight to 8k EHP +/- no implants/boosters/fleet bonus, uses 75mm gatling T2 rails "I never miss you" with long range ammo about 180dps (up to 35km) and around 250+ with short range ammo and still a very decent range of engagement/ dps application.

This being said, I get the feeling the ranis is really good when well flown by a competent pilot.

Wol/Jaguar still excellent frigs with a lot more fight options but a little less dps -very small difference negated by the simple distance where this dmg can be applied, selectable dmg type (hail vs frigs anyone? -if not you're doing it wrong)

I really need to finish this silly PI stuff and get ASAP caldari frig 5 and have fun with Harpie. Hated frigs before these changes but now I'm completely fan. Excellent for new players as older ones.