These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Assembly Hall

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
12Next page
 

Adding Agression Timers to Salvaging.
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Xero Shifter
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-02-01 01:11:10 UTC
Currently salvaging someone else's wreck doesn't trigger an aggression timer unless you also loot it. I'd like this changed, and I'd like to be allowed to blow people up without losing standings or having concord get upset, if they come and salvage my wreck, or my mission. I don't mind if someone else wants to salvage my mission when I'm not doing it, but when I have a friend who is already on it, I'd like to be able to punish someone for trying to race them through it.

I don't see how this would punish newbs at all, and it brings more non-suicidal pvp to high-sec. It doesn't add any additional bating techniques either, because if you're leaving wrecks behind, you're likely leaving loot as well, so if someone wanted to loot jack you, they can already try to bait you that way.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#2 - 2012-02-01 01:23:14 UTC
Xero Shifter wrote:
Currently salvaging someone else's wreck doesn't trigger an aggression timer unless you also loot it. I'd like this changed, and I'd like to be allowed to blow people up without losing standings or having concord get upset, if they come and salvage my wreck, or my mission. I don't mind if someone else wants to salvage my mission when I'm not doing it, but when I have a friend who is already on it, I'd like to be able to punish someone for trying to race them through it.

I don't see how this would punish newbs at all, and it brings more non-suicidal pvp to high-sec. It doesn't add any additional bating techniques either, because if you're leaving wrecks behind, you're likely leaving loot as well, so if someone wanted to loot jack you, they can already try to bait you that way.


You realise the actual objective of most ninja-salvagers is not to get the salvage/loot right?

But hey, I might even +1 this, as it will breathe life back into ninja-salvaging.

Read: More foolish/trigger-happy 'bears getting their PvE bling-barges smashed into junk, and maybe more officer-mods for me!

Ni.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#3 - 2012-02-01 01:47:04 UTC
Nerf to a valid starter profession and yet more carebear greed.

Not a new idea and discussed to death already. Please come up with something new or don't bother.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-02-01 02:41:07 UTC
This again? For the 20 millionth time...CCP has stated on numerous occasions that salvaging is working as intended and will not be changed. Wrecks do not belong to you.

/thread

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#5 - 2012-02-01 09:21:22 UTC
So many times in the past threads like this have popped up and the standard response from CCP is that salvage is working as planned, it belongs to whoever gets it into their hold first. That isn't going to change.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#6 - 2012-02-01 12:48:42 UTC
Xero Shifter wrote:
Currently salvaging someone else's wreck doesn't trigger an aggression timer unless you also loot it. I'd like this changed,



Do you even know what the word Salvage means??? Have you even bothered to look at the thousands of posts about this. I suggest you do a little research before posting here and making yourself look like a complete moron.


Oh, and I'll just leave these here:

by GM Ytterbium:

"Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will, no matter if they belong to the same corporation or not and doing so is not considered as an exploit."



by CCP Mitnal

"Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."



by CCP Prism X

"Sadly, I've already explained the whole shebang a couple of times already and have heard no discussions as to changing the ownership of salvage. Things are working as they were designed and I do believe we're quite happy about what the introduction of salvaging has done for us."



by GM Faolchu

"This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.

"Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up."



by CCP Prism X

"If you're surprised as to why the server does not consider it your stuff, it's because it's a mini profession designed for people who want to roam and look for salvage, not to further increase the revenue from mission grinding.. I doubt anyone with a perspective thinks we need to high-sec increase mission grinding any further.


"EVE is a really hostile game. We love how hostile it is.. we never meant for it to be a breeze."

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Claire Raynor
NovaGear
#7 - 2012-02-01 13:57:13 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Xero Shifter wrote:
Currently salvaging someone else's wreck doesn't trigger an aggression timer unless you also loot it. I'd like this changed,



Do you even know what the word Salvage means??? Have you even bothered to look at the thousands of posts about this. I suggest you do a little research before posting here and making yourself look like a complete moron.


Oh, and I'll just leave these here:

by GM Ytterbium:

"Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will, no matter if they belong to the same corporation or not and doing so is not considered as an exploit."



by CCP Mitnal

"Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."



by CCP Prism X

"Sadly, I've already explained the whole shebang a couple of times already and have heard no discussions as to changing the ownership of salvage. Things are working as they were designed and I do believe we're quite happy about what the introduction of salvaging has done for us."



by GM Faolchu

"This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.

"Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up."



by CCP Prism X

"If you're surprised as to why the server does not consider it your stuff, it's because it's a mini profession designed for people who want to roam and look for salvage, not to further increase the revenue from mission grinding.. I doubt anyone with a perspective thinks we need to high-sec increase mission grinding any further.


"EVE is a really hostile game. We love how hostile it is.. we never meant for it to be a breeze."


Nice collection of Quotes there. Really sums it all up. I really do think this is about people needing a shift in expectations. Salvage is not the posession of the person who blew the ship up. If you accept that then you can move on. If it upsets you that someone is salvaging ships you blew up then stop doing your mission for a bit. Simply warp off. A "ninja"-salvager in a probe can't / doesn't want to do a level 4 mission. They'll scan down another Battleship. You have a week to do a level 4 so come back later.

Or.. You can try being a ninja-salvager too and see if you get enjoyment out of it! Or try baiting the salvager and get a fight! Same works with can-flippers. I heard about a can flipper in a Gulfonodi belt. Pretended to mine. He fliped my tin. I got a battlecruiser 10'000KM off the belt - DScan to only get the belt - waited - saw him - warped in. And I lost my Battlecruiser! But the fight was ace and there was "GF" in local and lols.

But what you mustn't do is QQ. Because it feeds them!!!!
Paintchk
Facepunch Industries
#8 - 2012-02-02 15:05:28 UTC
BO-HO If some salvaged your wreck you'll still get the loot if they haven't taken it yet. Armor repping, looting, and whatever else gets you agression timer is fine, but plz not salvaging. Its fun when people race for it and it be dumb when someone starts shooting over salvage.
Yes I sound like a carebear but really, come on.Roll
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-02-02 15:53:39 UTC
Salvaging working as intended, if I could downvote you I would
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#10 - 2012-02-02 17:42:40 UTC
Obviously everyone knows the drill here. Working as intended, CCP won't be changing this because those wrecks aren't yours to begin with, blah blah blah.

But if you're looking for the right to shoot someone for stealing your stuff...where do you run missions? I have a Punisher for you to shoot at.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Shingorash
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-03 13:40:58 UTC
A better suggestion would be for wreaks to trigger agression if they are salvaged within say 15-30 minutes of the ship dying on the basis most ships except Marauders dont salvage and shoot at the same time.

There is nothing more annoying than a salvager coming in and salvaging your wreaks without stealing and you cant do anything about it.

Add a timer, after the timer expires the salvage is anyones...

The profession stays the same, its still a valid profession but only if the wreaks are abandoned or not salvaged in a valid amount of time.

Makes more sense that way I think...
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-02-03 13:51:32 UTC
Shingorash wrote:
A better suggestion would be... *snip*

A better suggestion would be to stop beating the dead horse and drop the subject. Read every reply in this thread and you will see that this has been beaten to a bloody pulp already and it isn't going to change.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Shingorash
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-02-04 20:12:18 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Shingorash wrote:
A better suggestion would be... *snip*

A better suggestion would be to stop beating the dead horse and drop the subject. Read every reply in this thread and you will see that this has been beaten to a bloody pulp already and it isn't going to change.



Thats not a suggestion, try posting something constructive.
reaver2145
Satanic Lobster Buttplug With Hidden Unicorn.
#14 - 2012-02-04 21:13:53 UTC
Shingorash wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Shingorash wrote:
A better suggestion would be... *snip*

A better suggestion would be to stop beating the dead horse and drop the subject. Read every reply in this thread and you will see that this has been beaten to a bloody pulp already and it isn't going to change.



Thats not a suggestion, try posting something constructive.


THE WRECKS DONT BELONG TO YOU
Tiger's Spirit
Templars of the Shadows
#15 - 2012-02-04 23:11:39 UTC
reaver2145 wrote:
Shingorash wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Shingorash wrote:
A better suggestion would be... *snip*

A better suggestion would be to stop beating the dead horse and drop the subject. Read every reply in this thread and you will see that this has been beaten to a bloody pulp already and it isn't going to change.



Thats not a suggestion, try posting something constructive.


THE WRECKS DONT BELONG TO YOU



YOUR ACCOUNTS NOT BELONGS TO YOU. THAT IS CCP PROPERTY, LIKE AS IDIOTISM OF SALVAGING IT'S A MINI PROFESSION.
reaver2145
Satanic Lobster Buttplug With Hidden Unicorn.
#16 - 2012-02-05 04:51:46 UTC
Tiger's Spirit wrote:
reaver2145 wrote:
Shingorash wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Shingorash wrote:
A better suggestion would be... *snip*

A better suggestion would be to stop beating the dead horse and drop the subject. Read every reply in this thread and you will see that this has been beaten to a bloody pulp already and it isn't going to change.



Thats not a suggestion, try posting something constructive.


THE WRECKS DONT BELONG TO YOU



YOUR ACCOUNTS NOT BELONGS TO YOU. THAT IS CCP PROPERTY, LIKE AS IDIOTISM OF SALVAGING IT'S A MINI PROFESSION.


WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR MUMMY NOW
Mag's
Azn Empire
#17 - 2012-02-05 15:02:06 UTC
You know what, change it, go on CCP please change it.

I will be one of the first on here laughing my socks off at all the whining, when you start losing your billions of ISK faction fit ships.

Then the next call will be PvP safe mission areas, because it's not fair. Muppets.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Tyr Aeron
L0pht Systems
#18 - 2012-02-06 08:23:11 UTC
Jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick..... are you bears completely incapable of using a ******* search button? It's right there at the top left.

Congratulations though, I'm pretty sure you've started thread number 5000 crying bout ninja salvagers. No, really, there was one on this very same page of the forums right HERE

FEATURE WORKING AS INTENDED. Deal with it.

BTW, where do you mission? I could use more salvage.
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-02-07 04:57:03 UTC
Oh dear Lord, this AGAIN?!?!

See all the posts above as to why this will never be changed.

Also, EVE is called a MMO for a reason. Stop solo mission running, bring a corpy or a friend and have them salvage/loot for you and you will never need to concern yourself with ninja anything ever again.

(Sorry to all the hi sec mission baiters if they listen and you can't kill mission bears anymore Lol )
Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#20 - 2012-02-07 07:27:14 UTC
Sure why not,

Aggression for everyone!

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544
12Next page