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how to kill a hulk solo in high sec

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ink haktek
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-02-01 10:01:55 UTC
Have anyone ever done it ?How ??
:)
Istyn
Freight Club
#2 - 2012-02-01 10:22:56 UTC
Shoot it with a Brutix or a Tornado.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-02-01 10:27:16 UTC
or a Thorax...

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
ink haktek
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-02-01 10:37:41 UTC
will it burn before konkord kill me ?
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#5 - 2012-02-01 11:00:14 UTC
Maybe.

I'm on my phone but will type out some rough pointers.

It helps if you scan your target and find those with weak tanks.

Concord response time is slower in lower security. You have a far greater chance of success in 0.5

You could get started by taking out Mackinaws. Not only are their tanks weaker but by checking dotlan for ice belts they are easy to find.

While you can do all this pure solo it helps to have a 2nd client for scouting, warp-ins and scooping loot/salvaging.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#6 - 2012-02-01 11:19:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirk Magnum
Hulks die by the thousands in high sec in this way. Amazingly, some will still rage about it, which ensures that the act never gets old.

1. Aim for at least 750 DPS (Brutix, Hurricane, Thorax.) I've never used an alpha ship (Tempest, Tornado) for this task so I don't know what kind of alpha you're going for. Overheat your guns.

2. The lower the sec status of the system, the better. CONCORD are slowest to arrive in 0.5 systems. If you use an alpha ship, this isn't important unless you fail to kill the target with the first volley.

3. Brutix has always been my choice for this. With level 5 battlecruiser and T1 medium blaster skills, you can pull off this operation for 25 million ISK or less. Before the removal of suicide gank insurance your total net loss could be as low as 5 mil. Of course, if you have an alt, you can loot and salvage both the Hulk wreck and your own, possibly resulting in a profit to yourself when all is said and done.

4. Don't fit anything that doesn't contribute to DPS and tackle. If you're in an alpha ship, you don't need tackle for this, but you might need tracking enhancement.

5. If possible, get a bookmark on something within optimal range of the target prior to warping in with your suicide gank ship. Half my suicide ganks have used this method, and the other half were with a ship fitted with a speed mod. What works or doesn't really just depends on how attentive the target is. If you have an alt, just fleet with your main to provide a warp-in.

edit: I've never ship-scanned any of the Hulks I've killed. I've only been successfully tanked by a Hulk on two or three occasions, or less than 10% of the times I've done this. It is possible to suicide gank a Hulk in as high as 0.8 space with a DPS Brutix, max-skilled and hardwired for 5% medium blaster + 3% omni-turret damage before CONCORD arrives, if their tank sucks.

                      "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#7 - 2012-02-01 11:39:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Don't bother if they have 2 Meta (X) Invulns and 5 Shield Rep Drones buzzing about from the support Orca. ';;'

This actually applies to Macks as well, as 'someone' recently found out.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#8 - 2012-02-01 11:40:07 UTC
You don't have to take a loss. You can actually do this stuff profitably - without getting insurance.
I don't think CCP has quite realized the full ganking potential of the Tornado - or just how insanely destructive it is. FAR better than the old Tempests, and not just because they fit inside an Orca. Its like they are trolling miners or something.

Brutixes kind of suck because you can only realistically kill one target at a time. Thoraxes, same, but at least the are cheaper.
Use the Tornado and kill at least 2 or 3 Mackinaws on each run, and earn some ISK.
Kill 4 or more and make a lot of ISK. (provided you are able to loot and salvage effectively.)
Hulks are a little tougher, but killing 3 per Tornado is not particularly difficult, especially if you know what their tank looks like.

Oh, you can easily do this in crowded 0.7 ice belts. In theory, things could get pretty ugly in 0.5. You could probably manage to kill 6+ per Tornado there, but finding enough targets can be difficult....
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#9 - 2012-02-01 11:42:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Hulks are a little tougher, but killing 3 per Tornado is not particularly difficult, especially if you know what their tank looks like.




This is UTTER BS. Show API verified kilmail or it's not real..........................

Oh, and YOU need better support after ganking my Mack last year and I was able to loot and salvage MY OWN MACK with Orca as they were way too slow or something. Roll I came out 5 Mill on the POSITIVE side after Insurance.

BTW, the ONLY way you got me was hitting me while I was fighting rats and distracted.

"Let's kill...even obvious Non-bots".

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Xenuria
#10 - 2012-02-01 11:58:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
ink haktek wrote:
Have anyone ever done it ?How ??
:)


Spank blew up my Hulk but he needed the help of 3 other people to do it...

inb4 Spank bans me from every ingame channel he has mod too.

Oh wait spank already did that when I pointed out he cant run for CSM.

CSM 12 Candidate
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#11 - 2012-02-01 12:15:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Wilkus
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Hulks are a little tougher, but killing 3 per Tornado is not particularly difficult, especially if you know what their tank looks like.




This is UTTER BS. Show API verified kilmail or it's not real..........................

Oh, and YOU need better support after ganking my Mack last year and I was able to loot and salvage MY OWN MACK with Orca as they were way too slow or something. Roll I came out 5 Mill on the POSITIVE side after Insurance.

BTW, the ONLY way you got me was hitting me while I was fighting rats and distracted.

"Let's kill...even obvious Non-bots".


Boy, you really bent over something that happened a long-ass time ago.

a) not so difficult to loot your own Mack when the Orca is sitting right there.
b) I recovered my own Tempest wreck, you don't have to lie about it again to make yourself feel better.
c) coming out positive? nice try, nobody is going to believe that. Macks are expensive and have Retriever insurance.

But thats all ancient history, back in the sucky, one kill at a time, insured-Tempest era.

Oh, but if you don't think a Tornado can't wrack up multiple kills, you are an idiot.

Buck Futz for month of January:
http://y0ink.us/killboard/?a=home&y=2012&m=1

Thats nearly 40 Billion in damage in about a month of on and off ganking. Only a few Typhoon SB and dessie kills mixed in, the vast majority are Tornado kills, generally in 0.7, and generally at a rate of between 2 and 3 Exhumers per Tornado. (I've gotten better as I've improved my tactics - also, Gallente ice belts have tanked Exhumers due to the recent Goon interdiction - I'm sure I could post an even better ratio in Caldari space.

DAAAMMMMMN.......look at how stupid you are now, Krixtal Icefluxor.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#12 - 2012-02-01 12:18:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Herr Wilkus wrote:

DAAAMMMMMN.......look at how ENLIGHTENED you are now, Krixtal Icefluxor.




Fixed.

And I still see no killmail of a multi-kill Tornado. Roll

AND...the reason I came out positive is I SALVAGED AND LOOTED THE TWO SHIPS RESPONSIBLE AS WELL. sheesh.

And YES....it was significant, as that was the first gank in a long time.............and the LAST time I got ganked outside of War Dec.

You guys will never accept that that playstyle is shi* and chases off noobs. WHATever.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#13 - 2012-02-01 12:41:14 UTC
Unfortunately, the KB just flipped over to February and doesn't like linking directly to Buck Futz's January's total. Its all there though. Tornados rip through Exhumers like a knife through butter.

And like I said, when I ganked you over a year ago -you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

You were killed by a solo-Tempest, which I salvaged and looted after it was Concorded.

There were no 'other' ships involved - thats what a 'solo gank' means. Thus you couldn't have possibly come out positive and are making things up to make yourself feel better. Kind of sad, considering you were ganked.

You managed to scoop and salvage your own Mackinaw. Good for you - not too difficult since your Orca was literally right there, and the salvager was over 15km away (busy looting the Tempest after providing a warp-in point).

Your story simply doesn't hold water. Nice try though.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#14 - 2012-02-01 12:43:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Unfortunately, the KB just flipped over to February and doesn't like linking directly to Buck Futz's January's total. Its all there though. Tornados rip through Exhumers like a knife through butter.

And like I said, when I ganked you over a year ago -you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

You were killed by a solo-Tempest, which I salvaged and looted after it was Concorded.

There were no 'other' ships involved - thats what a 'solo gank' means. Thus you couldn't have possibly come out positive and are making things up to make yourself feel better. Kind of sad, considering you were ganked.

You managed to scoop and salvage your own Mackinaw. Good for you - not too difficult since your Orca was literally right there, and the salvager was over 15km away (busy looting the Tempest after providing a warp-in point).

Your story simply doesn't hold water. Nice try though.



I just imagined the other two ships. WHAT ever. Man these forums are crap most of the time.

And who is going to believe whom ? The 'innocent' miner....or the padded KB monkey ????

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#15 - 2012-02-01 12:57:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Wilkus
You must have been ganked by someone else then, and you are barking up the wrong tree, because ALL my kills were solo.
You don't use two Tempests to kill a Mack. Come on, use your brain. One Tempest is enough.

You are the one that was obviously upset about it, as you scream about it everytime I post on the subject.
On the other hand, you are literally one of several hundred faceless Exhumers I've ganked. I don't really have any reason to lie about it.

Killing Exhumers is now quite profitable. More people should do it. They just need to learn how to use Tornados to their fullest potential. Kill 1 Mack with a T2 Tornado, you take a small loss. Kill 2, you make a small profit. Kill 3 or more and you are making some real ISK.

You can deny it all you want, but the KB is solid. Its quite easy to pick out strings of chain-killed Exhumers.

Funny how full of crap you are. You should stay out of these ganking threads, you really don't know what you are talking about.
I think the only advice you could possibly contribute is how to fail-tank a Mackinaw. But if more miners tanked as badly as you did, it would make my job a lot easier.

All I was trying to explain was that the Brutix is effectively obsolete for ganking because you only can get a 1:1 kill ratio at best.
And if 1 for 1 makes you happy, you can solo Macks much cheaper in a T2 Blaster Catalyst.

Tornados allow much greater rates of return on your ganking dollar, far better at it than the Tempest ever was - and far better at killing Exhumers than the Talos will ever be.

EDIT:
You know what? Don't believe me. My guess is that if you understood the full extent of the ganking potential of the Tornado, you'd be the first one crying to CCP for more Concord buffs and Tornado/arty nerfs. Last thing we need around here is more carebear Waahmbulances screaming for more protection.
Keltaris Cesaille
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-02-01 13:30:41 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


And who is going to believe whom ? The 'innocent' miner....or the padded KB monkey ????


No such thing as an innocent miner, they are all guilty of stupidity by default
Tikera Tissant
#17 - 2012-02-01 13:49:01 UTC
It really depends on the fittings of the hulk.

A lone cargo hulk without a tank, will have crap EHP, around the 10K or lower, so you can easily solo it with a BC like said earlier, even without max skills or 750 dps.
A decent tanking hulk, but still max cargo setup, will have about 15K EHP, which means he will give you a tight time if you are in 0.7 or above.
A max gathering setup (not cargo), will have pressed with cpu and power, so he will only have about 14K EHP max.
A smart hulkaggedon hulk, with support, will have almost 25K EHP, which means you are lucking and in 0.5, you will not be able to kill him without blowing up.


So basically, determine your dps output, the system you plan on going to, and good luck.

Quote:
No such thing as an innocent miner, they are all guilty of stupidity by default


I don't agree.
Well miners are basically the ones who just don't know better, just plain bored, or botting.
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#18 - 2012-02-01 14:14:46 UTC  |  Edited by: StonerPhReaK
Does anyone else read posts,And when PEOPLE type certain words IN CAPS they would like to STRESS,You READ the WORDS in your HEAD loudly.I do..And i giggle at myself errytime.

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#19 - 2012-02-01 14:20:24 UTC
Tikera Tissant wrote:
It really depends on the fittings of the hulk.

A smart hulkaggedon hulk, with support, will have almost 25K EHP, which means you are lucking and in 0.5, you will not be able to kill him without blowing up.


A hulk can pull off more than 25K EHP if it is in fleet with a well-trained Orca pilot providing boosts from the following modules:

Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Hormonizing
Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvering

That's not taking overheat into account.

Adapt or Die
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-02-01 14:38:00 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Unfortunately, the KB just flipped over to February and doesn't like linking directly to Buck Futz's January's total. Its all there though. Tornados rip through Exhumers like a knife through butter.


Linking V lets you still see the last 10 kills.

On 27-01 at 23:13 he seems to have killed three Mackinaws and a Bestower in one run.

Only Mackinaws, not Hulks, but still a nice achievement.

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