Missions & Complexes

I see not so much difference in damage from Raven. Only 15 dps or something with T2 cruise missiles.
Maybe I missed something?

My take, as a golem pilot: Yes and no.

While it is a serious upgrade from a Raven (and a notable step up from a cruise raven) in DPS, it is mean to be a torp boat and suffers as all non-stealth-bomber torp platforms do with range and application of it's paper/EFT numbers. An ideal golem fit has to pack three painters into the mids, which means your tank is going to be either relatively expensive or you'll need to watch incoming dps carefully in missions, sanctums, or whatever you use it for. You'll also need to continuously cycle all three of those painters to get the most of your dps, which can be tedious at length. Finally, you will be using javelin torps most of the time just for range which will further reduce your speed (~100m/s last I checked) and that range will top out at a respectable, but not entirely generous ~60km.

It makes a good universal marauder and certainly has a "wow," factor to it's torp alpha at times, but it is only shiny against short-range things, preferably large targets, like angels. Beware of guristas, as with all marauders, low sensor strength lends this ship to being permajammed. Overall, the vargur is a much better choice of shield/omni-dps marauder. Less fuss, similar range and tank, faster, and doesn't require t2 ammo.

As a cruise missile ship it is mediocre at best. Best stick with the CNR if that is your shtick.

hm, thank you.

if i just fit the ships for dps, cnr gives the biggest, then golem and raven nearly equal. so i dont see much benefit to train 2 months from my raven to golem really :S

More EFT DPS, maybe. The Golem gets some specific bonuses that make it a much better torp boat than a CNR, not least the fact the a CNR with a rack of T2 Seige launchers has very little fitting left for anything else.

CNR -> Cruise
Golem -> Torps

Raven has eight effective launchers: 6 launchers / (.75 rof bonus) = 8 effective launchers. Golem has eight effective launchers also.

Golem gets a TP bonus and explosion velocity bonus, so it will apply more DPS against smaller/faster targets. Golem's Effective DPS > Raven's Effective DPS. However, assuming you group your missiles, a cruise Golem suffers a bit more DPS loss to defenders (25% DPS loss versus 16.7% DPS loss for Raven.)

As others have noted, the Golem is meant to be a torpedo platform. With 2-3 TPs, it can almost always apply 100% of its torp damage against BCs and battleships, and torps are very effective even against smaller cruiser sized targets. Javelins put as much raw DPS downrange as a CNR's cruise missiles.

However, IME, the Vargur is normally better/faster than the torp Golem. The Golem suffers from TP juggling, constant reloading (switching to/from javelin torps,) only having 20 salvos loaded at a time, having to use drones to kill most frigates, DPS loss to overkill, and the Golem requires a lot of skills at V to be really effective.

Here's a missile damage spreadsheet I wrote a while back: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1151130

Yes, the Golem technically works with cruise missiles. However, it's a torp boat. Here's why.

1) Target painter bonus. CMs really don't need target painters; torps really, really do. This bonus basically means that torps are viable weapons on a PvE Golem whereas they really aren't on a CNR.

2) CNR's damage advantage. When directly comparing a Golem to a CNR with the same fittings, the CNR will always bring more raw damage to the table. 4*2 = 8 effective launchers < 7/.75 = 9 1/3 effective launchers.

Combine the two factors and you get this: a Golem only outperforms a CNR when it can use a higher damage option -- hence torpedoes. A solo CNR cannot compete effectively despite having higher raw damage numbers in a torp configuration because only the Golem gets the bonus for damage application. Hence, Golem is a torp boat.

Adding on a very important point for PVE use, NPC defenders hurt the golem far greater than they do the CNR, since you are shooting fewer missles with a 100% damage bonus, knocking out more DPS than it would with a CNR. Basically it just isn't a good idea to use a golem with cruise missiles versus a CNR.

And yes, sure CNR does more damage, if you happen to have a huginn or rapier with you, or are shooting a POS, and I know for one I CBA to do it with anything but lasers or sentry drones.

Golem is 10x the ship a raven is I don't care what EFT claims. It is also superior to the CNR in almost all cases PVE.

You don't need 3 TP either 2 will work just fine. Battleclinic has a starter golem fit that works really well. I flew the golem for a long time and melts L4 missions while it is salvaging and looting them to boot. I mostly blitz unless there are big bounties these days so the Tengu is superior to all other ships in the game as far as I am concerned.



Golem is strictly PVE ship in my opinion and it rakes in the isks.


I can't think of anytime besides WC where my tank got in trouble once or twice. It tanks very well with just a Caldari Large and Caldari Amp.

You loose significant dps against cruisers and bc when using only 2 painters. This is from experience, not eft. Considering i'm using t2 torps most of the time, i'd rather not waste expensive volleys.



Not even close to being true.