Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It is very telling by some of the "con" arguments in this thread how people play the game. At no point in any of those arguments does anyone mention anything about balance...just that it is always the victim's fault for getting ganked. By either being unprepared, undertanked, unescorted, or just plain having valuable cargo.

Yet, if the same was asked of the ganker then suddenly I am asking the game be skewed too much in the carebear's favor. The hypocrisy in some of these replies is remarkable since all it takes is a disposable alt, a cheap ship and a sadistic pleasure in griefing others to gank with negligible losses.

For those of you that can only think in black and white terms, this thread is not about eliminated ganking altogether...but about making it as painful to the ganker IN HI-SEC as it is to the victim.

As it stands now, it is a free-for all ganker's paradise in EVE regardless of sec region.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=720507#post720507

Right.

EvE is NOT a Utopia, where people hold hands and sing kumbuya; EvE is a DYSTOPIA, where white collar crimes (Scams) go unpunished and violet criminals are (sometimes) hand-slapped rather than jailed for eternity. EvE's largest publicity typically comes from the colossal scams where TRILLIONs of isk is stolen from other players. Other games would Ban people for that, here they reap the rewards of their deceit.

How do you think the police or an insurance company would respond to a bank that lost millions of dollars while transporting valuables with an unarmed bicycle courier? While its taboo to blame the victim, don't you think the bank executive responsible for such bad decision would be fired, if not sued and/or put in jail for criminal negligence? The executive can shout and claim that the bicyclist "Should" have been safe if the police where doing their job, but the fact is their method for moving valuables shows such a profound lack of judgment, that people will evaluate his responsibility in creating the crime. The investigation into his blame will explore the options available to him (like could he have employed an armored courier?), it will explore the rarity of the occurrence (do robberies happen often?), and it will evaluate the cost to risks involved. The corollary scenario in EvE, is when a player moves 500 million in valuables with an iteron, rather than a tanked battleship.

CCP’s job is to provide you with tools to mitigate your risks. And they do... Complaining about the fact that crime occurs regularly in this intentionally DYSTOPIAN UNIVERSE means you really don’t understand the game!! If your options were extremely limited and/or unreasonable, you might have some legs to stand on, but there are TONS of options, and player ignorance and stubbornness does not equate to a broken game design!

Depending on what it is, I use a BR or DST... hell, I've even had logi buddies "escort" my freighter through busy systems at times.

Yeah, the logi fleet wouldn't help against a fleet who can alpha the freighter ... but if they brought enough to alpha me ...

"I didn't want that freighter anyway"

1) thats Jita. As long as ganking exists, Jita will be the number one spot.

2) thats one example, out of the hundreds that safely fly into Jita every day.

I dunno about the others, but there are a number of topics I think are good, or that I point out ways to improve.

Then there are the overwhelming majority that consist of little more than poorly thought out whines and gamebreaking nonsense. Guess where 'lol maek highsec into invulnerablesec but don't touch the rewards' fits in?

A new first. I think I disagree with everyone on this thread. It seems everyone, in their own way, is happy to defend the stupid, bizarre game mechanics of Eve.

One one side, we see folks arguing that ganking is too easy and CONCORD needs to do more. This argument ignores the fact that the concept of CONCORD is utterly ridiculous to begin with. Here we have this magical police force that can be anywhere in hisec instantly to kill the baddies. And the baddies never get away. I'm surprised CONCORD doesn't have rainbow engine trails. ******* stupid.

On the other hand, we see folks arguing that hisec should not be 100% safe. That gankers should be able to suicide anyone, anywhere, anytime. This argument ignores the fact that the concept of suicide ganking is utterly ridiculous to begin with. How can you pod someone and then be free to do it again in a few minutes? Where's the gaol time? Where's the loss of freedom? We all know you can continue to gank in hisec regardless of a pissy security status hit. So how many times should a crazy suicide bomber be able to murder innocents? ******* stupid.

I think we have gone too far down the path of bad game mechanics. There are too many ridiculous elements, contradictions, inconsistencies, illogical game mechanics. But there are seasoned players who actually think everything is working fine. ******* stupid.

Seriously I fail to understand all the whining about hi-sec ganking. It's so easy to avoid, that I'm amazed that gankers get any profit at all.
1. Don't transport cargo which expected drop value is bigger than the cost for the gankers in lost ships to concord. Freighter for example could transport 1bill easily all over hi-sec, probably even more now that concord losses doesn't pay out insurance. Sometimes they will take on an unprofitable gank, but most of the gankers are there for the profit.
2. If you need to transport more, use other means - transport ships (they won't even see you), covert t3 with interdiction subsystem (you can even go through hostile nullsec with relative safety)
3. If you don't have skills for any of those ships, just use red frog freight services, they will transport your cargo for next to nothing.

High Sec ganking is NOT ILLEGAL (as long your not using exploits mitigating CONCORD sanctions). So the OP starts his post with a wrong headline !

High Sec is not 100% secure, it was never meant to be, deal with it.

That having said, i come up with an idea, that might increase security somehow, because the aggressor is faced with mid term consequences. Remember, if you get killed in Empire you get 30 day kill rights ...

How about transferable kill rights ?

1. You can convert Kill Rights into a transferable Item called Kill License for a small fee and optinal costs if you tie a bounty to successful ship kills of the target pilot
2. if you convert your kill right the target will get a mail kill rights being passive and about details of the Kill License (i.e. bounty, end of kill period)
3. Kill Licenses can be traded via direct transfer or contracts
4. Kill Licenses can be reconverted into kill rights, it takes 1 hour to become active kill right, if conversion is initiated, the target gets a new mail informing about new owner and that kill rights will active again in an hour
5. Bounty is paid upon successful ship kill, otherwise its wasted
6. outdated kill licenses get removed from the system periodically

I know, it would create a lot of unique items (like bookmarks) but not in an unlimited manner (unlike bookmarks) since you can only create kill licenses from kill rights.

To my eyes it would be really worth it, since it eventuelly would create a viable bounty hunter business modell for solo PvPers. It wont interfere with High/Low Sec insecurity too much and would provide a lot of emersion.

The system could provide special medals and titels for professional bounty hunters showing their track record.

Forget about my old post. Since everybody still complains, let's make some changes in the Ganker's favor, not the Gankee's favor.