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Issler Dainze for CSM7! Hear the bears roar!

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Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#101 - 2012-02-01 00:04:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Seleene wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
BTW, what I find interesting is how the CSM6 no longer pretends to represent *all* players... apparently those who bother to talk, only do so to claim "Hey, good luck making yourself heard, we are not going to fukking care of you non-nullsec sukkers".]


Seriously, who are you talking about?


the voices in his head


The voices in my head say you're all crazyBear

E: And that's a good thing!

Ni.

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#102 - 2012-02-01 01:11:17 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:

As despicable and worthless as he is, The Mittani...

Non-block representatives don't have the luxury of being able to coordinate which of their subjects will vote for which candidate. We have to be more motivated and more informed than the bloc voters (thankfully, it's not hard to be more informed than null sec drones, it just required effort).


your posts make ron paul look entirely reasonable


I actually find Ron Paul reasonable! :-)

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#103 - 2012-02-01 01:13:55 UTC
Seleene wrote:


.. some pretty reasonable comments ..



I just want to say I think Seleene did try very heard to stay in communication with the players while serving in the CSM 6 and I appreciate that alot!

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#104 - 2012-02-01 01:22:35 UTC
I have to say seeing some prominent CSM 6 in this thread tells me something about the VoR message and the potential for a power block upset in the CSM 7 elections.

Rally together disenfranchised masses. We will storm the bastille!!

If we can get our act together we could dominate the election. The power blocks are already talking about several candiates themselves so they will be splitting their votes for sure.

Everyone, spread the word, we will take the CSM back in the CSM 7 elections!

The Voice of Reason believes all of Eve is based on conflict and it is about time the CCP focused on other areas of that conflict occurs that dominate life outside nulsec!

Miners!!!
High Sec Dwellers!
Explorers!
Traders!
Industrialists!
Ambulation fans!
Mission Runners!
Space Tourists!
Casual Players!
Small Corps!

Join the Voice of Reason Party and send CCP a message, this is our game too!

Issler Dainze
Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#105 - 2012-02-01 07:58:34 UTC
Seleene wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
BTW, what I find interesting is how the CSM6 no longer pretends to represent *all* players... apparently those who bother to talk, only do so to claim "Hey, good luck making yourself heard, we are not going to fukking care of you non-nullsec sukkers".]


Seriously, who are you talking about?


I am talking about "CSM 7 must be about moar nullsec iterations" Seleene and "try-to-don't-choke-yourself-laughing, but, I am all for newbies" Mittani.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2012-02-01 08:05:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
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I am talking about "CSM 7 must be about moar nullsec iterations" Seleene and "try-to-don't-choke-yourself-laughing, but, I am all for newbies" Mittani.
truly laughable
everyone knows goonswarm only takes on people who can meet the high SP req and steep isk deposit - prices no newbie could hope to meet

edit: what exactly would you consider 'pro-newbie', something in incarna where female avatars remove a piece of clothing for plex?
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#107 - 2012-02-01 08:11:32 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
your posts make ron paul look entirely reasonable


Thank you for the attention, even if you have nothing with saying Lol
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#108 - 2012-02-01 08:15:17 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:

I am talking about "CSM 7 must be about moar nullsec iterations" Seleene and "try-to-don't-choke-yourself-laughing, but, I am all for newbies" Mittani.


Ok, I had to laugh a little at this one. Lol C'mon, it was funny.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#109 - 2012-02-01 08:16:03 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
]your posts make ron paul look entirely reasonable


I actually find Ron Paul reasonable! :-)

Issler


Ron Paul would actually be a reasonable "small Government" candidate if he wasn't a flaming hypocrite.

As for Seleene's comments about "getting things done" — yes, at least under this CSM the trains ran on time. Pity noone knew where the stations where, what time the trains ran, or where the damned things were going.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#110 - 2012-02-01 08:20:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Single issue candidates are a pointless approach to take unless you can be confident that CCP will be heavily focusing on that particular issue during the upcoming CSM term, or unless you're charismatic enough to bend CCP to your will.


Indeed! Players should vote for candidates that they understand and who share opinions about play styles and game focus. "Issues" are a great way to garner support, but not a good way to run an advocacy/lobby group. "Issues are short term," player types and motivations are long term,
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#111 - 2012-02-01 08:21:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
and "try-to-don't-choke-yourself-laughing, but, I am all for newbies" Mittani.

Hey, he's all about newbies. Soon one should see more newbies in blackbirds about because of something really nice we got recently. To each according to his need! Enemies with uber T2 guns really don't need to use them on our friends, so please stop.

Yes, I know, this is about a subset, but really, dealing with the sigma field of the whole space is pretty hard.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#112 - 2012-02-01 08:22:47 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:

Ron Paul would actually be a reasonable "small Government" candidate if he wasn't a flaming hypocrite.


Venturing too far into RL politics is going to get too stupid, too fast. I suggest we stick to the pressing internet spaceship matters at hand.

Mittens, I blame YOU for this! Twisted

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

shas Ellecon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2012-02-01 10:42:26 UTC  |  Edited by: shas Ellecon
Issler Dainze wrote:
I have to say seeing some prominent CSM 6 in this thread tells me something about the VoR message and the potential for a power block upset in the CSM 7 elections.


no man they are telling you that you are so stupid it is honestly a god damn wonder that you can type readable sentences
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#114 - 2012-02-01 13:16:07 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:

I am talking about "CSM 7 must be about moar nullsec iterations" Seleene and "try-to-don't-choke-yourself-laughing, but, I am all for newbies" Mittani.


Ok, I had to laugh a little at this one. Lol C'mon, it was funny.


LOL, it is funny. Laughter aside tho, I think I've been pretty clear on how much I think more than just nullsec needs a look see. Smile

Mara Rinn wrote:
As for Seleene's comments about "getting things done" — yes, at least under this CSM the trains ran on time. Pity noone knew where the stations where, what time the trains ran, or where the damned things were going.


As analogies go, this pretty much owns and I'm going to steal the hell out of it at some point. PirateBig smile

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#115 - 2012-02-01 14:14:02 UTC
Seleene wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:

I am talking about "CSM 7 must be about moar nullsec iterations" Seleene and "try-to-don't-choke-yourself-laughing, but, I am all for newbies" Mittani.


Ok, I had to laugh a little at this one. Lol C'mon, it was funny.


LOL, it is funny. Laughter aside tho, I think I've been pretty clear on how much I think more than just nullsec needs a look see. Smile



Yes... of course, maybe with CSM 8... or 9... or 10... it would be so terrible that CCP now began spreading efforts between all players, right?

See, the 18 months took a toll on everybody's gameplay. But now all in a sudden CCP only caters to nullsec, and guess what? That happens with you, the nullsec CSM, in charge. And what you swear if you get elected for CSM7? That you will make sure that the iteration effort (NULLSEC iteration, that is) is not derailed by anything else. Like, our non-nullsec interests.

I insist: Crucible did NOTHING for me and many other players like me. And your goal is that the CSM goes for more Crucible and only more Crucible.

I wonder how difficult or insanely crazy would be that each gameplay got an expansion a year -say, summer 80% nullsec, 20% hisec, then winter 80% hisec, 20% nullsec. A BALANCED approach so CCP doesn't essentially tells that, after neglecting everyone for 18 months, now they will keep neglecting the hisec majority and catering to the ubernoisy nullsec minority until 2013 at least... And the CSM, who should speak for ALL players, is A-OK with it and finds funny how the silent majority tries to organize and forward someone to speak for them with only a slim chance to succeed.


Addenda: well, CCP is not completely neglecting hisec... they're gonna nerf incursions after -amazingly- the "winner takes all" completion mechanic has ended up with uberprofessional incursion grinders pumping ISK like crazies and nobody else ever bothering to try. Sharing rewards the same as incursion runners share risk would have been so much un-CCP... Roll
Doris Dents
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2012-02-01 14:39:18 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Seleene wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
BTW, what I find interesting is how the CSM6 no longer pretends to represent *all* players... apparently those who bother to talk, only do so to claim "Hey, good luck making yourself heard, we are not going to fukking care of you non-nullsec sukkers".]


Seriously, who are you talking about?


I am talking about "CSM 7 must be about moar nullsec iterations" Seleene and "try-to-don't-choke-yourself-laughing, but, I am all for newbies" Mittani.

Goonswarm has brought more newbies to the game than any other group and they still aggressively recruit new players. Goons whole combat doctrine is geared around ship progression for brand new players. Just because our newbies don't sit for a year in highsec mining scordite and whining that 0.0 is a closed shop doesn't make them any less new.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#117 - 2012-02-01 16:22:00 UTC
Mara and some other howlers have an amusing point - I don't communicate with the tiny group of eve-o posters much. However I communicate all the goddamned time with my constituents and those I represent.

If you think Crucible is awful and bad and did nothing for you, then yeah - I don't represent you, and I'm not sorry about it.

~hi~

The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#118 - 2012-02-01 16:22:49 UTC
I don't represent people who want WiS to be prioritized over spaceships or love virtual pants, either.

~hi~

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#119 - 2012-02-01 19:30:02 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
I don't represent people who want WiS to be prioritized over spaceships or love virtual pants, either.


This is the false argument that is always offered to support the anti-ambulation platform of many of the CSM 6 and the ambulation haters.

No one is suggesting ambulation be prioritized over FiS. Many, however want it to remain in plan and get some reasonable amount of resources applied to it.

The currentl CSM seemed however to want a stake dirven through the heart of ambulation, somehow trying to make the argument that it can't be worked on in any way without destroying FiS. Of course most of these same folks would like CCP working on all manner of nul sec mechanics and features that 80% of the Eve player base couldn't care less about while ignoring most FiS content those 80% would love to see.

Issler Dainze
Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#120 - 2012-02-01 19:49:18 UTC
Doris Dents wrote:
Goons whole combat doctrine is geared around ship progression for brand new players. Just because our newbies don't sit for a year in highsec mining scordite and whining that 0.0 is a closed shop doesn't make them any less new.

Scordite, not Veldspar? Anyway we are a group that helps pad the k/d ratio and ego of ~elite pvp~. Which brings them out for ~good fights~.

It's ok though, I think we're wonderfully represented.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?