Warfare & Tactics

It's quite possible to do that. They probably had the warp disruptor already clicked and were just waiting on you to appear in the overview so they could tackle you. All they have to do is start the lock in the second or so before your cloak engages, and point you before you warp. Align time on a manticore gives them time enough for that to happen.

Was the other guy in a logistics cruiser?

No it didnt took me 1.5 seconds to activate my cloak. I activatet it maybe 0.5 seconds after decloak. Ive done this many many times before. Go to a gate and try to lock someone who just decloaked. no you cant. You can even spam CTRL+leftclick on him NEVER your first attempt will lock him NEVER. But it seems that he go me with the first attempt.

IF i manage so lock someone really fast up like Destroyer my point NEVER activates. So something is ****** in this mechanic..

i waited around 7 seconds after the jump to check the next gate via scanner. I didnt had the cloak activatet before the jump. So the cloak was ready.

In the time i click "warp to" my ship gets decloaked. And in this time my ship isnt lockable cause its still the "decloaking" effect where you just cannot lock. Or atleast other ships i tryed never were lockable for lets say 0.5 seconds. In that time cloak activation and no one can lock you.

i checked latency and it was very good.

I still dont know how that system works.

Sometimes im on the TS with a friend and we are camping a gate. We fly both the same ships and we have both max skills.

Why sometimes he yells "I cannot lock him, i cannot lock him" at the time i already locked the target and pointet him?

Sometimes its changed. He can lock and me not.
Many many times one of us can lock but the point didnt activate. Even if the point is activatet BEFORE the lock.


This whole mechanic isnt working very well i think..

Was something within 2k?

It's important to note that you cannot cloak while they are *locking* you. I've confirmed that by having my orca start targeting my covops, and it prevented the cloak during the 20+ second acquisition timer. Latency can make it seem like your cloak went active when in reality it failed because in that .5 seconds they were able to target you. Once they've started targeting you, your cloak will fail if it's not already active. And if their command to target reaches the server before your command to cloak, they win.

I'm guessing they had a cloaked scout on the other side so they knew what you were bringing before you jumped through, and that the second ship was a logi with rsebo bonuses to get that lock time as tight as possible. Then it's just a matter of having a properly-configured overview so that they can be sure to click your name as soon as you appear.

It all comes down to reflexes and latency.

Its possible to lock you before you cloak. Its quite unlikely and a fair bit of luck is required.

Server tick is 1 second - so here's what probably happened :

1) You decloak for align half-way through server tick 1;
2) Sensor boosted Loki begins to lock you;
3) Server tick 1 over;
4) You hit cloak but the server tick 1 has already happened so your cloak won't activate until the end of server tick 2. That's near enough 2 seconds after you decloaked;
5) You're locked.

You're misunderstanding the server tick - the smallest time interval the server "understands" is one second.

If you decloak half-way through a tick and then take 0.5 secs to hit the cloak then you're into another server tick and the whole process will take 1.5 seconds (two server ticks).

If you decloak at the start of a server tick and hit the cloak 0.5 secs later then the whole process will take 1 second and you cannot be locked as the fastest lock time is one server tick - ie one second.

It also helps locking if the target has some latency stability issues - eg ping time bouncing around due to overloaded connections at ISP/transit provider.

HTH.

I have seen Dramiels with 9,000+ scan resolutions. I know you are not talking about drams but that's it anyway. Max out fleet booster with the right mindlink or whatever along copious amount of very high-end sensor and remote sensor boosters boosters and there you go. I think I still have a screenshot of the Show Info panel somewhere...

It leaves no room for mistakes. It's an intricate setup you are not likely to cross twice.

Maybe lag played against you that one time while they went to great lengths to stack all odds in their favour. If that's the case, they paid out of their ass for it.

If I recall correctly, CTRL + leftclick is slow, my friends who could lock an interceptor before it warped locked directly on screen.

as already mentioned the server ticks with 1s ticks.

if both player press a button within the same tick its luck who comes first. your cloak or the lock of the enemy

Yeah there are a slew of "instalock" tricks that are not written anywhere.

I.E. not many understand that the overview updates are delayed, so good luck locking someone using it.
Also (at least when I was in there), there are "pre-activating" and "pre-hotting up" modules, if you don't do it, it's hard to get anything hooked up before 1 second / have full range and so on.