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Who would win?

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#1 - 2012-02-01 06:16:21 UTC
Star Treks Borg or SG:1's Replicators?

Jason or Michael Myers?

Aliens (from Alien) or Bugs (starship troopers)?

Space Marines (40k) or Terran (Starcraft)?

Tron or the Matrix? (internal only)

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leviticus ander
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-02-01 07:02:21 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Star Treks Borg or SG:1's Replicators?

Jason or Michael Myers?

Aliens (from Alien) or Bugs (starship troopers)?

Space Marines (40k) or Terran (Starcraft)?

Tron or the Matrix? (internal only)

SG:1's Replicators, the borg would have nothing to asymilate while the replicators would be able to replenish and build numbers. I may be missing something that the borg have that would help. also the borgs ability to alterate themselves would not help much except for the start before the replicators figure it out.

no opinion

bugs. sheer number would have it.

can't really say. don't know a ton about either of these. terran would have the disposability of the units, but the space marines are a hell of a lot more powerful per unit. so it may go by sheer numbers but the difference in numbers may not be enough.

tron. internal only means no neo or anything like that, and the agents are external unites interfacing with the computer while tron is all internal.
W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
#3 - 2012-02-01 07:13:49 UTC  |  Edited by: W1rlW1nd
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Star Treks Borg or SG:1's Replicators?

Jason or Michael Myers?

Aliens (from Alien) or Bugs (starship troopers)?

Space Marines (40k) or Terran (Starcraft)?

Tron or the Matrix? (internal only)



Easy.
[activate nerd shields if you intend to read beyond this point, and God help you if you do. . .]


1) Replicators.
Both Borg and Replicators have a hive mind, but Borg assimilate new technology ['if' possible], and require time to form strategies and find uses for any organics that they bring into their fold.
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On the other hand, Replicators are not living, so only basic technology and not any single entity of themselves can be assimilated; though Borg will undoubtedly broadcast "reistance is futile" in English over and over on loudspeakers repeatedly. . . Replicators don't care. Upon contact, Replicators would instantly dissassemble and nano-reassemble everything they touch, break through shielding, eat whatever comes near them like an ebola virus, spread in numbers geometrically until they completely turn borgs, borg ships, moons, planets into themselves. While siultaneously building FTL ships and heading out seeking more yummy Borg/anything.

2) Tie.
Jason and Michael are the same thing, different knife, different mask.

3) Aliens.
The Trooper bugs are cool, but still merely another society of living intelligent creatures, like humans. Aliens are a parasitic race evolved to take advantage of that. Once contact between the two is made, the same thing would happen to the bugs as to humans; impregnation, birthing of super-hybrids encompassing all the strengths of the host -- in this case, super trooper bugs with acid blood and composite armor and near telepathic communication to organize and strategize.
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Just as we see in the alien ship, no space fairing race, human or otherwise, not even bugs would be safe from Alien infestation. They would have to nuke themselves from orbit. . . and even that would not be enough. At least Predators are smart enough to carry personal nukes on their arms. If they think they got impregnated, kaboom. Can't beat them, but can slow their spread.

4) n/a

5) Sort-of a trick question, exactly who from either would be opponents? Neo vs. Tron or a User? Programs vs. the denizens of Zion or Machine Agents? Tanks vs. Squids?
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Depending on who or what is pitted against each other, it is either a draw or could swing to one side or the other. Both sides can run hax and cheat in combat.
Adunh Slavy
#4 - 2012-02-01 07:17:29 UTC
Babylon 5's Lorien pwns all.

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W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
#5 - 2012-02-01 07:42:58 UTC
. . .


5) if the battle was restricted to only Matrix machines vs. Tron programs + internal only, I lean toward Matrix coming out on top.
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One reason being, if the Matrix machines were losing and decided there was no chance of winning, they would just delete the entire 'universe' and start over from scratch, as they have done hundreds of times before.
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Inside Tron I don't think there is a precedence for deleting the entire computer universe if things are not going the way the Main Control Program wants. It would be like deleting the entire internet, and that isn't going to happen.


Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#6 - 2012-02-01 16:00:08 UTC
I've written 2 replies and the forums have eaten them both along with a couple of other replies in other subjects. Let's try this again with a ctrl-c ctrl-v shall we.

Tron vs Matrix - Just to Clarify I am talking about all programs on the inside of the Matrix. For Tron this includes Programs, Light cycles, Tanks, Light jets, Recognizers, the Carrier, Tron, and CLU. You can even include Zues if you think Techno will help.

On the Matrix side we would be talking about the Agents, programs like the Twins and the Oracle, and even go as far as including the Architect. If you want to be creative you can even include users since they were a tool used to fight Neo.

I made it internal specifically due to the fact that the Robots could just unplug the system and start over is things got out of hand. But if you're really ambitious, you can include a scenario where the Tron users escape into the real world and are forced to fight Squids and those giant Bombers.



Replicator vs Borg - 2 things I have always noted about the borg. 1st is that they adapt very quickly to any given situation. Usually you have only about a half dozen shots with your phaser before it is useless against their shield. Of course Replicators don't use phasers but I also noticed that they had issues with apophis' personal shields. And like the Replicators, the Borg seem to be able to 2 nail tactic any area that they are in (like taking over an entire deck on the Enterprise E in about 10 minutes).

The other items that I've noticed about Borg is that they don't care about you until you start ******* with them, like say rearranging their ship. At which point the entire ship is focused on simply eradicating you, and the Borg usually aren't concerned with losses in these matters.

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Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-02-01 18:25:59 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Star Treks Borg or SG:1's Replicators?

Jason or Michael Myers?

Aliens (from Alien) or Bugs (starship troopers)?

Space Marines (40k) or Terran (Starcraft)?

Tron or the Matrix? (internal only)


Borg

Jason

Bugs

Space Marines

Matrix

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Solinuas
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-02-02 11:38:59 UTC
in the space marines VS terran, it is rather unfair in the space marines favor, each space marine has up to centuries of experience, Armour tougher by an order of magnitude, and to top it all off they have a distinct offensive advantage as well.
Amaroq Dricaldari
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-02-03 02:43:15 UTC
Solinuas wrote:
in the space marines VS terran, it is rather unfair in the space marines favor, each space marine has up to centuries of experience, Armour tougher by an order of magnitude, and to top it all off they have a distinct offensive advantage as well.

But they never update their technology.

But I still think you have a point. The life expectancy of your average Terran Marne is about 3 seconds, 7 if you have Medics.

My answers:

Borg: I am a huge Stargate fan as much as I am a Startrek fan, but I missed alot of episodes of SG-1, so I don't know enough about the Replicators. Of the Borg assimilated a single Stargate, we would ALL be screwed.

Jason: *holding axe over shoulder* Its friday, friday, gonna get down on friday.

Aliens: No Comparison. The Starship Troopers movies were a disgrace compared to the book.

Niether: They are both pretty much the same thing, just different time periods and goals.

TRON: You can't really beat a music video. Especially not a feature-length one. Besides, the grid is on a supercomputer right underneath an Arcade.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#10 - 2012-02-03 03:11:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Micheal Dietrich
Amaroq Dricaldari wrote:

Borg: I am a huge Stargate fan as much as I am a Startrek fan, but I missed alot of episodes of SG-1, so I don't know enough about the Replicators. Of the Borg assimilated a single Stargate, we would ALL be screwed.




Just to help you out a little on this one, I chose these 2 because they both function pretty close to the same.

I'll try not to give away anything about the replicators origin. Replicators are essentially little spider like droids in SG:1 who's sole purpose is to replicate. Kind of think of them as a mechanical ant colony. They set it up so there is usually a queen who nestles herself near some kind of power couple (or in one case a subs engine room). At which point she's starts making little nano chips that can form together to take on any shape which usually turns into the little spider replicators. Other versions are seen like when a bunch of them formed into a 10ft tall bug that boosted the FTL capabilities of a Ha'Tak ship (there were large beetle like replicators as well). When they over ran the Asgard home world we saw kind of a giant mech version that was carrying Carter. They have even combined together to make themselves into a ship.

In the sense like the Borg, they are always seeking out new and better technology than what they currently have. This gave the Asgard a lot of problems because they are all about technology but every new ship they built the Replicators would take it over and use it to replicate more. Thor's ship was eventually stricken with Replicators and they took it over and started flying to Earth. Naturally our band of heroes found a way to stop them by destroying the ships inertia dampeners just as it came out of light speed causing the ship to go into atmosphere and break up into the ocean, which led to the whole replicator on the sub incident.

There was even one incident where they incorporated themselves into a airman thus kind of making him a borg in a sense.

They usually try to go for stealth if they can by taking out sensors in their area before they start taking over ship controls.

Replicators, as with the Borg, tend not to mess with you unless you do something that interferes with their business, at which point you have a horde chasing you down. They tend to be very susceptible to guns and explosives.

So, given a scenario where the replicators find their way on a Borg ship and start doing their thing, taking the strengths and advantages of both I've been curious of what people think the outcome would be.

As for the others:

Jason is easily in the lead
Aliens and Bug seem about tied
Space Marines are pushing ahead
Tron and Matrix look about tied at the moment

Good ideas from a lot of you so far.

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Amaroq Dricaldari
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-02-03 03:28:52 UTC
Now if the Borg Assimilated the Replicators or Vice Versa, we know for a fact that we would be screwed.

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Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-02-03 08:58:49 UTC
Amaroq Dricaldari wrote:
Now if the Borg Assimilated the Replicators or Vice Versa, we know for a fact that we would be screwed.



I dunno, the Borg kind of suck. They got time travel technology, and still manages to **** **** up (and why assimilate things in the past, when there is no information or technology to be gained by it? And if they want to remove a threat, just nuke em from orbit in the past). They try to invade the federation and only send one cube, while they got millions of them. Despite hardcore nanotechnology they still rely on biological bodies for their drones. Why use drones at all? Why not amke compact ships that is a lot easier to maintain and handle. Why not use their extensive knowlegde gained from other species to actually make assimilation easier, and just not walse right in demanding other races submit. With their way of spreading they should have grown much fasster if they where as effective as we are led to belive, exponential growth would quickly have converted all of the galaxy to borg.

The answer is of course they are a fictionl race of bad guys form a fictionl universe. But they still fail to be scary as bad guys since they derp so hard. :)

Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-02-03 10:03:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Destination SkillQueue
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
Amaroq Dricaldari wrote:
Now if the Borg Assimilated the Replicators or Vice Versa, we know for a fact that we would be screwed.



I dunno, the Borg kind of suck. They got time travel technology, and still manages to **** **** up (and why assimilate things in the past, when there is no information or technology to be gained by it? And if they want to remove a threat, just nuke em from orbit in the past). They try to invade the federation and only send one cube, while they got millions of them. Despite hardcore nanotechnology they still rely on biological bodies for their drones. Why use drones at all? Why not amke compact ships that is a lot easier to maintain and handle. Why not use their extensive knowlegde gained from other species to actually make assimilation easier, and just not walse right in demanding other races submit. With their way of spreading they should have grown much fasster if they where as effective as we are led to belive, exponential growth would quickly have converted all of the galaxy to borg.

The answer is of course they are a fictionl race of bad guys form a fictionl universe. But they still fail to be scary as bad guys since they derp so hard. :)



Actually in the case of Borg the answer is also partially the lack of money. IIRC they were initially supposed to be a race of insects, but they couldn't afford that implementation, so they went with humans in gimp outfits with interchangable parts to keep wardrobe costs down while providing the illusion of many different types of borg drones. The problem arises because they just "reskinned" their original insect based ideas to make sense with humanoids actors and didn't bother to rethink the whole idea from the start to see if it still made perfect sense.