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[Proposal] Unlearning skills. SP refunding...

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-01-24 16:18:33 UTC
Santiago Fahahrri wrote:
No.

How astute of you.

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XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#42 - 2012-01-24 17:01:24 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Santiago Fahahrri wrote:
No.

How astute of you.


Almost as astute as the repeated (albeit stupidly modified) "hurrrr skillpoint reallocation" idea
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-01-24 17:18:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
XXSketchxx wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Santiago Fahahrri wrote:
No.

How astute of you.


Almost as astute as the repeated (albeit stupidly modified) "hurrrr skillpoint reallocation" idea

Oh blah blah blah blah blah...why don't you guys actually come up with something constructive instead of just attacking me with your stupidity?

In fact...I will ask a Dev to just go ahead and lock this thread. I can bring this topic up again later when the trolls are fewer if CCP hasn't already enacted a change to this by then.

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XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#44 - 2012-01-24 17:42:26 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:

In fact...I will ask a Dev to just go ahead and lock this thread. I can bring this topic up again later when the trolls are fewer if CCP hasn't already enacted a change to this by then.


hahaaha

you are literally clueless
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-01-24 17:46:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
XXSketchxx wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Santiago Fahahrri wrote:
No.

How astute of you.


Almost as astute as the repeated (albeit stupidly modified) "hurrrr skillpoint reallocation" idea

Oh blah blah blah blah blah...why don't you guys actually come up with something constructive instead of just attacking me with your stupidity?

In fact...I will ask a Dev to just go ahead and lock this thread. I can bring this topic up again later when the trolls are fewer if CCP hasn't already enacted a change to this by then.


Hey wake up and smell the quafe...the guy said no...and just no....and your directly attacking him....don't be surprsied if someone reports you for that.

You should take your own advice for once.

If anyone needs to grow up and stop acting like an imature child...its you.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-01-24 18:39:26 UTC
Feel free to keep trolling this thread. I really don't mind. The more you do the more people will see my idea. Thanks in advance!

I don't even think I can count on one hand the number of times you have attacked me directly in this thread alone Drake. Shall I start reporting you?

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-01-24 18:51:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Feel free to keep trolling this thread. I really don't mind. The more you do the more people will see my idea. Thanks in advance!

I don't even think I can count on one hand the number of times you have attacked me directly in this thread alone Drake. Shall I start reporting you?



I dont harp on people for saying just "no" like you do.

And for all of my terseness...I don't act like an immautre child and spray obviously stupid ideas that people can see right through with utter clarity....nor do I ignore them.

Yes I WILL call them out...and they get all up in arms...but they are just as guilty as they label me to be.

People don't like me because i refuse to back down...I give coutner arguments quite readily....and I will back down/relinquish when reason is given enough. Soemthing you fail horribily to attempt to do.


All you've said is you don't like this idea...yet you support it....your a hypocritical child who wants his way even if he hates the very thing he wants.

What that tells everyone is quite plain and obvious....for you to take offense to that...is quite laughable.

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Sicex
#48 - 2012-01-24 23:35:34 UTC
There isn't any sort of downside to "training the wrong thing" in EVE.

I mean if you play long enough, guess what? You will have to train ALL skills eventually!

The ONLY way I would be in support of an 'Unlearn' option would be if it took the exact amount of time it took to untrain the skill as it took to train the skill. That way the pointlessness of your suggestion comes fully into view and people can waste their training time by 'untraining' items that will no doubt be trained later on.
Tekashi Kovacs
Golfclap Inc
#49 - 2012-01-28 15:57:43 UTC
Well I partially agree with any kind of re-spec thread ^^ this one doesnt make that much sense tho, since you would lose SP + time that could be used for simply learning something new without losing anything at all...

Back at 2011 Ive posted much better "respec" idea - you can see it here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1527004&page=1
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#50 - 2012-01-30 03:51:00 UTC
No.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-01-30 14:05:06 UTC
Tekashi Kovacs wrote:
Well I partially agree with any kind of re-spec thread ^^ this one doesnt make that much sense tho, since you would lose SP + time that could be used for simply learning something new without losing anything at all...

Back at 2011 Ive posted much better "respec" idea - you can see it here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1527004&page=1

The whole point is that there be some kind of punishment for training the wrong thing in the first place. We can't just allow a respec for free with no punishment at all. This idea allows you to do the respec making it a logical choice for you right then and there if you don't need or want the skill but still puts you further behind where you would be had you not respecced at all in the long run.

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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#52 - 2012-01-30 14:30:17 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
The whole point is that there be some kind of punishment for training the wrong thing in the first place. We can't just allow a respec for free with no punishment at all. This idea allows you to do the respec making it a logical choice for you right then and there if you don't need or want the skill but still puts you further behind where you would be had you not respecced at all in the long run.


Whats the point if it puts you further behind????

Any reallocating SPs is a bad idea. I dont care if its Aurom (whatever), ISK, PLEX or Unlearning time.... its just a bad idea!

Eve is about consiquences and living with your choices....


You claim the unlearning time is enough 'punishment' for remapping skills... what about all the money or benefit you got from those skills before you unleant them? You used them at one time, why should you be allowed to forget them and flip them into the new FOTM.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-01-30 14:46:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
The whole point is that there be some kind of punishment for training the wrong thing in the first place. We can't just allow a respec for free with no punishment at all. This idea allows you to do the respec making it a logical choice for you right then and there if you don't need or want the skill but still puts you further behind where you would be had you not respecced at all in the long run.


Whats the point if it puts you further behind????

Any reallocating SPs is a bad idea. I dont care if its Aurom (whatever), ISK, PLEX or Unlearning time.... its just a bad idea!

Eve is about consiquences and living with your choices....


You claim the unlearning time is enough 'punishment' for remapping skills... what about all the money or benefit you got from those skills before you unleant them? You used them at one time, why should you be allowed to forget them and flip them into the new FOTM.

This is a proposal simply because some people want a respec option and CCP has already been looking into it and the CSM didn't shoot it down entirely. It is very likely that a respec option of some sort is going to happen eventually whether we want it to or not. Might as well make sure that we have ideas out there so CCP can at least do it with as little impact on the game as possible.

Again...it will likely happen. Whether we want it or not is going to be irrelevant.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#54 - 2012-01-30 14:52:29 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
No.


Seconded.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#55 - 2012-01-31 15:43:04 UTC
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Again...it will likely happen. Whether we want it or not is going to be irrelevant.


yeah, just like gold ammo.....
CCP should be careful about making big changes that the majority of the players don’t want.

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Tekashi Kovacs
Golfclap Inc
#56 - 2012-01-31 23:20:27 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:
CCP should be careful about making big changes that the majority of the players don’t want.


I lol'd. The only ones not wanting ANY form of respec are those psychopathic hardcores and masochists, who likes to punish themselves for no reason. Fortunately, they dont represent the Majority.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-01-31 23:26:42 UTC
Tekashi Kovacs wrote:
Jint Hikaru wrote:
CCP should be careful about making big changes that the majority of the players don’t want.


I lol'd. The only ones not wanting ANY form of respec are those psychopathic hardcores and masochists, who likes to punish themselves for no reason. Fortunately, they dont represent the Majority.

I somewhat agree with that sentiment. I don't really want a respec option. I simply believe that it would be best for CCP and EvE overall as it would encourage new players to stick around.

EvE as it is now is a game for the hardcore and a very niche group of players. That's what we are. Companies don't tend to make as much money catering to small groups as they could making it easier to play for the overall casual people that make up the vast majority of gamers.

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#58 - 2012-01-31 23:55:55 UTC
Not a worthwhile use of resources nor of the CSMs time. This fixes nothing and encourages careless decision making. Let's not waste any more time discussing this.

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Lili Lu
#59 - 2012-02-01 00:02:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
This is a proposal simply because some people want a respec option and CCP has already been looking into it and the CSM didn't shoot it down entirely. It is very likely that a respec option of some sort is going to happen eventually whether we want it to or not. Might as well make sure that we have ideas out there so CCP can at least do it with as little impact on the game as possible.

Again...it will likely happen. Whether we want it or not is going to be irrelevant.

Oh where is your support for that - the bolded and underlined part? Simply stating something does not make it so. You don't have any support for that statement. It is your worry, not mine and not that of almost all of the people who have responded to your proposal.

Tekashi Kovacs wrote:
I lol'd. The only ones not wanting ANY form of respec are those psychopathic hardcores and masochists, who likes to punish themselves for no reason. Fortunately, they dont represent the Majority.

So you try refuting a statement that the majority are opposed to respecs by saying no a majority support respecs. Ok, where's your polling data. Your supposed majority is a lie.

We don't have polling data about what the majority of eve players would prefer. Regardless, whatever the majority opinion might be, this is not a political election where the majority opinion matters and will determine the course CCP follows. It is a business, and they have to calculate the depth of feling of whatever portion of customer base feels either way.

The important consideration is which way will the game lose subscribers. Will CCP lose tenuous new players who trained astrogeo 4, made some money mining for a while as noobs with their mining cruiser or retriever, and then went pvp and wish they could have that sp allocated in medium ac spec? Will CCP lose a couple hundred butthurt supercarrier pilots who fotm chased when scs were ridiculously op and now want to dump fighter-bomber sp for titan sp? Or, will CCP lose many varied and long-standing players who resent the change in the core game mechanics that could only favor fotm chasing and pouting brats? CCP will then ask how many players will we lose out of these groups with either path.

One thing that is clear is CCP did the math after the shitstorm of protest with the incarna P2W fiasco. CCP learned that it can't **** up the game without provoking a response that will kill it. Poeple did walk with their account renewals, until CCP apologized and refocused on the core game aspects. So, ask yourself, does CCP have a stable sp mechanic going that may result in some minor petulent or spoiled quitting by fotm fickle customers, or does CCP fear the shitstorm? I think the last protest to radical redesign of the core game mechanics showed that CCP does fear the shitstorm, and rightly so.

BTW, also ask yourself why the vast majority of the responses to your proposal have been negative? But you seem persistent, so I'm sure even while you profess to not be in favor of the concept behind your proposal you will continue to argue for it.Roll Have fun wasting your time. And may the sisters of eve (bow to the rp segment of the eve populace, whould I run for something?P) have mercy on your soul if by some chance you are right because you will be rather unhappy with the sorry game that would result.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2012-02-01 00:36:24 UTC
Hey I am only replying to this thread when someone else does. I am not bumping it needlessly. It is obvious it is mostly hated by those that browse these forums. You are more than welcome to not respond to this thread at all and let it die.

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