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What would happen if CCP killed Jita?

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Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-09-17 23:57:36 UTC
Before the mission agent changes, the answer to this question was obvious - a new Jita would appear elsewhere, probably Motsu or Dodixie.

However, I'm not so certain that this answer is true anymore. Back in the days, Yulai was the central market hub until CCP "killed" it by removing the highway system. Over time, Jita became the new hub, due to it's proximity to all 4 empires, and perhaps most importantly, because it contained several level 4 mission agents.

Once lag in Jita got so bad (*shudder* insta bookmarks), CCP removed the level 4 agents. However, Jita had already established itself as the new market hub, and it's position as the largest market hub was self-reinforcing and it only continued to grow.

My question to you all is this:
What would happen if Jita simply dropped off of the map (ignoring the consequences of all those assets/market orders disappearing)? Would everyone gravitate towards an existing hub, such as Dodixie or Amarr? Or would the end up gravitating towards a new mission hub? Or since all level 4 agents are of equivalent value now, would Jita be replaced by several new, smaller hubs?

Granted, certain activities lend themselves well to a central trading hub, such as T2/T3 production. But maybe this would change, should such an event occur.
egola
NSFW federation
#2 - 2011-09-18 02:18:44 UTC
my guess would be what you already mentioned, everyone would gravitate towards Amarr. since being the second biggest trade hub.

Amarr is already the second biggest hub, with the new changes in place with agents, the mission hubs themselves will become more obsolete in terms of centering a trade hub around. overall its purely the number of pre-existing players that will ultimately decide which hub'll be the next jita.

more people=a busier trade hub, unless there is some huge campaign to move jita through a similar networked highway system that is close to all 4 empires, then by all means Amarr should honestly be the next jita.
Brock Nelson
#3 - 2011-09-18 02:31:00 UTC
Doubtful that Motsu or Dodixie will ever become the next Jita given that the mission change has already diminished those hubs.

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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
#4 - 2011-09-18 10:09:50 UTC
It would move to Perimeter.

Lots of people have optimised their operations for Jita so would look for the least change alternative.

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Lady Zarrina
New Eden Browncoats
#5 - 2011-09-18 16:54:00 UTC
I think it would depend on what happens to the existing assets in Jita. Here are my guesses with a few of the possible scenarios.

1) They are just destroyed:

Don't matter, wont be anyone left.

2) CCP buys out Jita at average market prices (and removes these assets from game).

Probably next busiest hub, so Amarr

3) They are returned to the owner based on clone location or current location.

Probably next busiest hub, so Amarr. But since many assets may end up very close to Jita, system like perimeter has a chance.

4) They are left in Jita for pickup (system still present but the market disabled by CCP)

Likely moved to perimeter or next closest Caldari Navy station. But if no obvious system is picked quickly by a vast majority, Amarr may still win.

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Zeta Zhul
Preemptive Paranoia
#6 - 2011-09-18 17:25:07 UTC
That's an interesting question. How about an alternative scenario:

Let us say that some rat bastard, who will go unnamed, decided to spend say 100bil - 200bil hiring every low-class scum-of-eve ganker, griefer and pirate to basically kill anybody else in Jita for 2 weeks. Or maybe 3 weeks. Or 4 ... what the hell.

What would the result be then? How long could the 0.01 iskers in Jita hold out without any sales? How long would traders hold out for continuing operations in Jita before giving up and relocating their operations to Amarr?

And remember that is "unnamed rat bastard" and not, I say -not-, some guy named "Zeta Zhul". Perish the thought.

Really. Big smile
Brock Nelson
#7 - 2011-09-18 18:04:58 UTC
The only differences it'll make is rising cost of goods now that less goods are making to the market.

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Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-09-18 19:41:10 UTC
Jita developed because of the routes through Jita. As long as we don't get a transparent market system not devided by regions, we will get a new Jita in the case CCP is putting Jita's gates to another routes. This will be a system, that is central on the route betwee north and south.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#9 - 2011-09-18 19:47:02 UTC
Jackie Fisher wrote:
It would move to Perimeter.

Lots of people have optimised their operations for Jita so would look for the least change alternative.
That makes sense to me.

Of course, CCP has put so much effort and hardware into Jita that I doubt they'd do something to move it now.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-09-19 00:50:00 UTC
Zeta Zhul wrote:
That's an interesting question. How about an alternative scenario:

Let us say that some rat bastard, who will go unnamed, decided to spend say 100bil - 200bil hiring every low-class scum-of-eve ganker, griefer and pirate to basically kill anybody else in Jita for 2 weeks. Or maybe 3 weeks. Or 4 ... what the hell.

What would the result be then? How long could the 0.01 iskers in Jita hold out without any sales? How long would traders hold out for continuing operations in Jita before giving up and relocating their operations to Amarr?

And remember that is "unnamed rat bastard" and not, I say -not-, some guy named "Zeta Zhul". Perish the thought.

Really. Big smile


200bil wouldnt kill jita. even if people had the money and manpower to camp jita 24/7 for 3 weeks it would all go back to normal eventually because people would have all that stuff there to sell, amarr would temporarily get a huge boost in trade most likely
Lady Zarrina
New Eden Browncoats
#11 - 2011-09-19 00:50:04 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Jackie Fisher wrote:
It would move to Perimeter.

Lots of people have optimised their operations for Jita so would look for the least change alternative.
That makes sense to me.

Of course, CCP has put so much effort and hardware into Jita that I doubt they'd do something to move it now.


Just imagine how much more hardware they will need when you start walking around?

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Nouva MacGyver
Jedrzejczyk Integrated Capital
Minerva Exalt Holdings
#12 - 2011-09-19 19:34:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Nouva MacGyver
Jackie Fisher wrote:
It would move to Perimeter.

Lots of people have optimised their operations for Jita so would look for the least change alternative.


I have similar sentiments. Standings wise I would (as a trader) most likely look for the next nearest Caldari Navy station available in the next nearest system to Jita.

It'll be a hassle to be going any further; lost time is lost opportunity. Hive mind mentality would likely make the migration to aforementioned Perimeter for instance a high possibility as it is (relatively) painless and of little change.

A singular streamlined hub as it is with the competition makes movement of trade more efficient; if any hub were to start anew in this surrounding there could be a little back and forth but I don't see a collective of smaller hubs staying in a longer term. It'll all start funneling back as it were and there'll be another Jita 4-4 part deux.
Marwood Ford
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-09-20 03:27:29 UTC
Zeta Zhul wrote:
Let us say that some rat bastard, who will go unnamed, decided to spend say 100bil - 200bil hiring every low-class scum-of-eve ganker, griefer and pirate to basically kill anybody else in Jita for 2 weeks. Or maybe 3 weeks. Or 4 ... what the hell.


Two weeks of pods docking up needing ships, parts and ammo? I'd think that "unnamed rat bastard" would be a local hero. Pirate

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beor oranes
Tranquility Tavern
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2011-09-20 09:00:49 UTC
Now the way to kill Jita (though it would only reduce it and not actually kill it) would be to make all the Empires surrounded by lowsec, so that to get to Jita from another Empire you would have to cross lowsec. What I think would happen then is each regional hub out there now would grow and Jita would diminish but not totally, it would probably still be the hub for the Caldari Empire but it probably wouldn't be the hub for Eve.
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#15 - 2011-09-20 09:35:17 UTC
We don't have any plans to kill Jita, but this discussion is nonetheless really interesting. Smile

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beor oranes
Tranquility Tavern
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2011-09-20 09:38:15 UTC
CCP Spitfire wrote:
We don't have any plans to kill Jita, but this discussion is nonetheless really interesting. Smile




Meh that's no fun..
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#17 - 2011-09-20 10:49:15 UTC
You're forgetting the cardinal rule of tinfoil-hattery...


Never believe anything until it is officially denied.

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Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#18 - 2011-09-20 11:29:04 UTC
if you look at jita it has something that is extremely important about it. the only place to find moon good in large quantaties is there in jita.
Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
#19 - 2011-09-20 12:52:17 UTC
CCP Spitfire wrote:
We don't have any plans to kill Jita, but this discussion is nonetheless really interesting. Smile


Not even for a brown envelope stuffed with Aur?

For maximum entertainment Jita should spawn in random constellations like Incursions and then move elsewhere when X billion in ISK is collected as tax there. P

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Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-09-20 15:11:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyniac
CCP Spitfire wrote:
We don't have any plans to kill Jita


So now it's official then... will happen Soon (TM)

Anyhow what would happen would really depend on the how rather than the if.

If Jita system was just deleted -> Yeah people would move to the system next door, Perimeter is as good a place as any

If some sneaky system was introduced that nerfed market hubs -> Say you had increasing tax with item volume or something along those lines -> you probably would see a strengthening of local hubs and the emergence of specialised hubs (e.g. T2 mats, capital components, ships for pew pew... hold on that's not specialised is it?)

If they did something spectacular -> Say breakup the existing areas of empire by zones of low and nullsec -> all bets are off who but strong and somewhat more balanced regional hubs would ensue.
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