Ships & Modules

This character is training for ganks, and is primarily Gallente focused with a goal of ganking in the Brutix. I've already started training towards Blasters, but I'm wondering if I should have trained for a different type of projectile based turret. Blasters have very low range, it seems. Still not too late, I can switch over to something else. Can other types of turrets be mounted on the Brutix, or does that ship only work well with Blasters? Worse comes to worse, I'm not too far into the training yet to do a complete switch over to something else.

Also, to fund the gankery and grind standings, are Gallente battleships pretty good for doing Level 4 missions? I'd like to eventually train for a Tengu to grind ISK and standings, but that's a long term goal. Hoping that with a little extra training, I can stay in the same faction and grind sooner, if Gallente BS's are somewhat good.

Thanks!

Comments:
- Unless you're doing very specific things, blasters suck for missions. Fit rails.
- Don't use the Brutix. Use a Myrm. :)
- Hype -> Vindi/Kronos is a viable path for BS missioning.
- Don't forget a Rail Sentry Domi/NDomi. Pretty good too. :)
- The Proteus can put out 700 DPS with rails. Not as good as a Tengu, but nothing really is.
- If your long term goal is the Tengu, just do that. Its not that much SP and its that much better.

-Liang

Only if you can alpha your target. :)

A blaster Talos can about equal the Tornado's alpha on its second volley (a bit over 4 seconds in), and by 12-13 seconds has done roughly double the damage before the tornado gets a second shot. So as long as you have at least enough time for a second volley, the tornado really isn't any better.

Even in .5 systems where the tornado has time for two volleys, the talos can still apply about 6000 more damage.

(assumed fits are 8x neutron blaster II w/ void , 4x mag stab II for talos, and 8x 1400mm arty II w/quake, 3x gyro II, 1x pg mod for tornado)

Is it just me, or is there not a flaw in the plan of ganking, then running highsec lvl4s to recover sec to get into ...highsec?
Unless you were planning lowsec lvl4s in a battleship, with poor sec status?

But could you run missions to get security status up again?

Most missions don't raise your sec status. You'll have better luck with more traditional sec raising techniques.

-Liang

No, most don't.

Tornado is bar-none the best ganker out there, but Talos has its own role.
Yes, Talos can actually do more raw damage between 8 and 13 seconds after starting the gank.
But try suicide ganking 4, 5 or 6 Exhumers with a single Talos. Tornado can do it.....I think you'll find the Talos falls short because Alpha >>>> DPS, due to Concord behavior and reloading mechanics.

Also...
Tornado:

-Cheaper (no Noxcium required for manufacture)

-30km Optimal, and does 95% of damage out much further due to Tornado 50% falloff bonus.
(this means that you can engage multiple targets spaced as many as 100KM apart and still score kills...while Talos more or less has to be at point blank range)

-Can deal EMP, THERM or EXP with mostly purified damage. Quake Ammo can hit KIN with a range penalty.
(important if targets are resist-tanking...)

-Mechanics of turret hit quality means that shooting with a Talos often tends towards 'average' EFT numbers, while Tornado first volley often scores a 25-50% bonus to damage due to being 'well aimed or excellent hits' vs initially stationary targets.

-Targets generally killed instantly, which completely ignores effect of RR/Boosters.


The Talos, on the other hand, will be an Orca buster. Your typical max-cargo Orca will fall to as few as 3 of these.

Based on my logs, in 0.5, concord responds in 13 seconds or 19 seconds, depending on presence of Concord in system.

0.7, its closer to 8-9 /14-15 seconds.

Basically, if Concord isn't spawned in system, they just spawn directly on you at the earlier time.
If they happen to be someplace else (off grid, or on the other end of the ice belt) they spawn 6 seconds later.

Oh, and if you are trying to farm sec-status, best way (IMO) used to be 'target painting' rats while ninja looting other people's missions.

But, in line with CCP's recent policy of nerfing all things related to 'high-sec nonconsensual PVP' - that no longer works.
(TBH, I don't even remember carebears clamoring for a 'sec status repair nerf'....CCP just decided to do it.)

However, the quickest way to farm sec status is actually cherrypicking and farming certain LVL 4 missions.
Find a cluster of LVL 4 agents, then just cycle through missions every four hours until you get:

Serp Ex/Angel Ex/ The Blockade/ Pirate Invasion/Recon 1/3.

Get a few instances of these in adjacent systems, (or a mixed Angel/Serp mission pair within the same system) and you can get around a full point of sec status in just a few hours. All the listed missions have lots of Battleships, generally few (or no) gates, and generate lots of sec.

Just remember: don't finish the missions, kill the BS's, but leave the triggers and farm them for an entire week.

Fortunately, I don't do this much anymore as killing Exhumers with a -10 alt is far more time-efficient....
saving my sec-status for randomly instapopping unsuspecting blingy Marauders/CNRs outside busy stations with a few helpers.