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Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2012-01-31 17:53:13 UTC
This is a great idea for the smaller corporations out there that don't have the resources for an external forum. Hopefully, this will help them get better organized and enjoy the game more.

+1
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#62 - 2012-01-31 17:54:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Salpad
Hey, ex-Viking dudes!

You can make this into a small money sink (which, you know, EVE needs more of...).

Currently I pay 80M ISK a month for a forum system my corp can use. It has a lot of functions, but is difficult to administrate.

Some things your system does not appear to do:

1. More sub-forums for members, divided along topics. I'd like two Off-Topic in-corp rooms for instance, one for English off-topic and one for Danish off-topic, and forums for discussing specific topics such as fittings, corporate defence strategy (who we can provoke into war-deccing us so we can get a little PVP experience, e.g.), finances (corp income and expenses). I'd also like a clear (icon-based, i.e. a flag graphic) indicator for each indivdual sub-forum, indicating which one language is appropriate to use in it.
2. A sub-forum for Associate Members, meaning those who have requested membership of my corp but who need to prove themselves first, before they get actual membership. Plus a few people who don't want membership but whom we still trust quite a lot (I've set my personal standing to these two guys to +10). Note these guys are members of other corps but I'd like them to have posting access to one of my corp's many sub-forums.
3. Another sub-forum for less safety-sensitive activities. I occasioanlly run some mining ops in high sec (for Danish-speaking players only), and while I want all corp members and everyone from item #2 above to know about this, there is a further list of people (who are also not members of my corp) who should also have posting acces to this (the Mining Ops) forum.

So, your 3-way-split simply isn't ambitious enough. I want more. Currently I'm paying for "more", but if you can give me my "more" for a reasonble price, I'd be very happy. (Note that that reasonable price could well be a bit more than 80M ISK /month; I'm quite willing to pay for an easy-to-use interface.)

edit: Expanding on item #1 above, some corps may want to have some sub-forums where multiple languages are allowed, e.g. I can easily envision a Scandinavian corp where in most forums all of Danish, Norwegian and Swedish is allowed. So the corp's forum boss needs to be able to enable multiple flag icons. (I've also clarified item #2 above slightly.)
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#63 - 2012-01-31 17:57:28 UTC
Orisa Medeem wrote:
Guys, please consider implementing forum pools.


What is a forum pool?
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2012-01-31 17:59:23 UTC
Salpad wrote:
Orisa Medeem wrote:
Guys, please consider implementing forum pools.


What is a forum pool?

It is like poll with a clerical error

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest
islador
Antigen.
#65 - 2012-01-31 18:19:27 UTC
I love that you guys are finally putting up corp forums, that is just awesome! I am impressed, but sadly what is really needed is alliance forums, so I hope you guys are willing to expand there next.

The role based access is awesome as well, but roles are heavily limited in EVE, and many corps, mine included, use titles more then roles. The current forums are functionally useless for my corp for this very reason, but I love that you're going in this direction.
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2012-01-31 18:26:40 UTC
Awesome, I like. Any excuse to go to fewer websites during my daily routine.

Also: <(^_^<) (^-_-^) (>O_O)>

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-01-31 18:30:45 UTC
Maxwell Albritten wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:

Don't worry - they will... and I could as well be that 13 year old girl. What is wrong at being 13 and girl anyway? Are you racist?


Confirming I'm racist against 13-year-olds (regardless of gender).

Ageism. They make names up for anything these days.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#68 - 2012-01-31 18:31:14 UTC
A few questions:
- Does this mean that you fixed the whole forum-post-eating thing?
- Can we click-drag to reorder the forums so that the ones I want to see are at the top?
- You should be able to delete your corp forums. -_-
- You should be able to create additional forums for things like corp fittings.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#69 - 2012-01-31 18:35:23 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Did I overlook something? Let me know if you've got further questions and I'll check in later. Right now my stomach is trying to convince me it's dinner time and It's making some pretty solid arguments.

....no. I think you answered every previous question. A+ on the communication CCP...

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#70 - 2012-01-31 18:47:37 UTC
Nice, will you add a killboard next?

How to win EVE
islador
Antigen.
#71 - 2012-01-31 19:03:03 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Nice, will you add a killboard next?


oh dear god yes, a CCP global killboard, that would be nuts. Set it up so it eats off a master API, parses out rat kills and concord kills into separate boards and auto-classifies everything's location for two hours. Tie in the regional market API for where it was killed, along with a separate column for the Jita market values. I don't know if CCP has a running contract price API yet, but tying that in for faction items would be bloody awesome. That whole thing would be incredibly awesome.
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#72 - 2012-01-31 19:03:09 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Nice, will you add a killboard next?


An official EVE killboard is a much discussed topic over here. No promises whatsoever, but it is being looked into and discussed as part of our plans moving forward. Along with a lot of other things of course.

Don't quote me on that. Ok who am I kidding, there's even a button for quoting me on that.

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#73 - 2012-01-31 19:15:10 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Nice, will you add a killboard next?


An official EVE killboard is a much discussed topic over here. No promises whatsoever, but it is being looked into and discussed as part of our plans moving forward. Along with a lot of other things of course.

Don't quote me on that. Ok who am I kidding, there's even a button for quoting me on that.


You mean this button? Also: if you implement an official KB, please allow people to opt out. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#74 - 2012-01-31 19:16:48 UTC
WH and Incursions forum sectionsQuestion
Someone had to askTwisted
Devpost icon at the top of page so the F5 key does not get warn out refreshing the dev post search.

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#75 - 2012-01-31 19:48:40 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Also: if you implement an official KB, please allow people to opt out. :)

-Liang

Sure if both the killer and the killed is opted out why not, but if either is subscribed the kill should show up.

How to win EVE
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2012-01-31 19:55:00 UTC
ps3ud0nym wrote:
I am truly confused by this. It seems to me a neat, but functionally useless feature.

There is FAR to much emphasis placed at CCP on the whole "Corp" concept. It is my understanding that the vast majority of corps sit at around the 10 member mark and never get any bigger. There are lots of explanations as to why this may be so, but I am pretty sure that the reason they don't get larger isn't a lack of forum options. The fact is that corp communication isn't generally an issue, and by the time it does become an issue, it isn't corp communications you are worrying about, but rather Alliance and Coalition communication!

The issue is this, if you are a corp that is using the CCP forums, you are going to have a harder time when you join an Alliance or Coalition. You can't share those CCP forums with your Alliance, you can't allow access to portions to blues or your Coalition members and worse, it locks all your data into a nice proprietary CCP owned data store and you can't easily access it. It is a good idea, but doesn't seem thought through.

The reality here is that we need tools to help communicate to the people we play with, and CCP doesn't seem to realize that "Corp" isn't the end all and be all of that definition. What I would like to see is a standard permissions system. Use the user as the user object, Alliance/Corp as your first groups (make it so you have custom groups as well) and adopt a rights model like Exchange with various user roles and permissions. I want to be able to share my cache of fits with more than just the people in my corp.

This goes much further.. I want ways to integrate Jabber into EVE.. I want ways to integrate TeamSpeak and Mumble. A competent alliance will have Forums, Jabber, TeamSpeak/Mumble all tied into an auth system that assigns permissions based off API and checking against standings. That is just the BASICS. I really want CCP to realize that there is significant out of game IT resources required to create and maintain a functioning Alliance in EVE, I would like to see CCP dedicate some resources to reducing that over-head.

I don't see this as helping as it replaces a fully functional, if complex and difficult, system, with one that is crippled in the very ways I need it most (Auth and sharing info outside of just the corp level). I applaud the effort, I just think it could be better spent finding ways to make all those services play together better, and more easily integrate with EVE.


CCPs corporation forums isn't meant to replace external alliance/corporation tools. It is meant as an easy alternative for new/small corporations which do not have the resources/manpower to make the external tools work. It's effectively free hosting, except most likely more secure. And if someone DOES hack your forums, they have effectively also hacked CCP - which means that alliances/corporations which resort to this sort of metagaming risk getting themselves banned from the game.

And you CAN transfer CCPs corp forums over to your external forums. All you have to do is write a script which crawls your CCP provided corp forums and exports the forum posts in a format of your choosing. How do you think Chribba gets EVE-search to work?
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#77 - 2012-01-31 20:02:27 UTC
Okay

What if I posted a link of a post to somewhere, can anyone else outside the corp see it or would that be secured?

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BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#78 - 2012-01-31 20:05:37 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Nice, will you add a killboard next?


An official EVE killboard is a much discussed topic over here. No promises whatsoever, but it is being looked into and discussed as part of our plans moving forward. Along with a lot of other things of course.

Don't quote me on that. Ok who am I kidding, there's even a button for quoting me on that.


\o/ I hope this will include all past kills as well, as eve-kill seems to have lost a lot of my old ones after a database problem :( also a feed option for those that wish to host our own killboards just so we can add fancy themes that highlight how awesome we truely are (please god nobody go look at mine...).

As for opt out, like someone else said, as long as it's both parties. However, I'd like to see old killmails kept and simply hidden if both parties are opted out. This way if one party opts in at some point in the future all their old mails won't be lost to time.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#79 - 2012-01-31 20:21:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Also: if you implement an official KB, please allow people to opt out. :)

-Liang

Sure if both the killer and the killed is opted out why not, but if either is subscribed the kill should show up.


I would have argued for an 'or' relationship, personally - or perhaps the entire burden to fall on the killer.

-Liang

Ed: I should probably just give up on my hatred of killboards... but I do so hate what they do to the society of the game. Too much risk averse, too much KM whoring, too much focus on ~stats~ and not enough on ~fun~. Blah.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#80 - 2012-01-31 20:42:47 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Also: if you implement an official KB, please allow people to opt out. :)

-Liang

Sure if both the killer and the killed is opted out why not, but if either is subscribed the kill should show up.


All it has to do is accept kill/loss mails from sources who have given permission for it just like in the current system. With PvP kills the end result is exactly what you want, since almost all killers will likely want to boast about any kills they scored. It's just that not everyone wants to participate in every aspect of an official KB system or wants every embarassing NPC death to go on public record. It therefore makes sense to make the official KB system an opt-in system, so people who want to be a part of it can click a button and have all their kills and losses automatically recorded there.

The people who don't want to participate, only get automaticly posted through the mails of the people who opted-in and don't have to ragequit over CCP taking options away from them in an effort to cater to griefing psychopaths(You know people will go there). Point being not retaining the current choices will just needlesly aggrevate some people and retaining those options doesn't hamper the function of an official KB.