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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#1 - 2012-01-31 16:30:39 UTC
Now that we have had alliances added to FW and it likely wont become the Doom & Gloom that many of us first suspected it might, it makes me wonder if CCP might have missed a interesting option.

Right now we have "allies" for each Militia Caldari & Amarr as well as Minmatar & Gallente, yet there is no real connection between each group other than having mutual war targets. Despite being allies by the fact we share the same enemies there isn't any official way to tie each group to one another.

I was thinking that it might of been an interesting option to have the ability to have corps from each friendly Militia in the same Alliance with-in FW. This way Amarr & Caldari corps or Minmatar & Gallente corps could more easily work with one another and have a better tie in to each war zone.

I'm curious what others thoughts are on this as I think it might stir things up quite a bit and it might also help balance out the Militias in times when one specific side is more active than the other.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#2 - 2012-01-31 17:22:32 UTC
In general, can corps within the same alliance be at war with each other?
Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-01-31 17:29:19 UTC
Someone linked the rules in another thread. Every corp in the alliance must qualify to be in the militia the alliance is in. If not, the alliance gets booted from militia.

CCP Konflikt wrote:
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Quote:
* Adding Alliances to Faction Warfare.
Inevitable I guess.

Could you give a very quick rundown on how that works, exactly? Is it "alliance joins", or "corp in alliance joins"? If the former, how are the standing requirements handled? Are there other restrictions of some kind?

(Also, if you can, I'd be curious about your opinion on how that will affect FW as a whole, and what your idea for FW is so that that is an improvement :-))


All corporations within an alliance need a 0.5 standing to join, if a corp within the alliance goes below min standings that alliance is ejected from FW 48 hours after a warning, unless the standings are regained.

A corp of the same faction may join an alliance of that same faction without dropping their allegiance. A corp of a different faction will be required to drop it's FW allegiance before joining the alliance, where it will automatically join the militia of the alliance.

Edit: The executor is the person who enters the alliance into FW.

Feel free to ask more.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=608396#post608396

I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.
Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-01-31 17:33:23 UTC
Alliances should help out a lot from an organization standpoint.

However, I'd be careful getting too high a percentage of active militia pilots into the same alliance. Corporations could wardec them and effectively join the opposing militia while paying to avoid getting shot at in enemy hi sec.

I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.
Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-01-31 17:36:43 UTC
Mutnin wrote:

I was thinking that it might of been an interesting option to have the ability to have corps from each friendly Militia in the same Alliance with-in FW. This way Amarr & Caldari corps or Minmatar & Gallente corps could more easily work with one another and have a better tie in to each war zone.

As I posted above, that isn't possible. Next best thing would be to have a sister alliance and share a secure chat channel.

I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.
Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-01-31 17:38:58 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
In general, can corps within the same alliance be at war with each other?

You can't single out a corp in an alliance for a wardec, so no.

But as Caldari militia has proven time and again, you can wardec within a given militia. :)

I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#7 - 2012-01-31 17:45:55 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
In general, can corps within the same alliance be at war with each other?


No I wasn't meaning opposing Militias being in same alliance, just corps from Cal & Amarr being able to ally or Minmatar & Gallente corps. They would still need to have standings for both Militias with each corp, but I think it would be an interesting way to better tie both fights together.

Example we have set up SQUIDS. in Caldari Militia and slowly getting the ball rolling with it, but we are also soon going to set up a second corp on the Amarr side that will work with our Caldari corp and vice versa.

The idea is that we will then be tied into both fighting fronts and can easily have pilots move between the two when ever they want as there will be guys they already know to fly with on both fronts. The only way I can do this now, is to set both corps up and then use a joint intel channel for both.

I just think it would be kinda cool to be able to put both corps in the same alliance rather than having to keep them as completely separate entities aside from working together via an intel channels. This way both corps could better be tie into each others war fronts as they would be officially allied.

I just figure that if given the option by CCP that others might also use this kind of set up to better tie the two war fronts together into a more broad fight vs just random roams into one another space.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-01-31 18:40:57 UTC
So, I have been away for a few days. Can somone give me a list of alliances that have joined so far?

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Dowla Daupor
Deltole Deltole Deltole
#9 - 2012-01-31 18:59:46 UTC
Hrett wrote:
So, I have been away for a few days. Can somone give me a list of alliances that have joined so far?


I'm interested in this to, it wouldn't be surprising if FW was so dead alliances wouldn't even bother though. I mean they can already grief FW without joining.
Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-01-31 19:14:57 UTC
Hrett wrote:
So, I have been away for a few days. Can somone give me a list of alliances that have joined so far?

Well, there's the one you are in. Look for a Caldari alliance called "Villore Accords[dot]" shortly. Lol

I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#11 - 2012-01-31 19:49:57 UTC
Dirk Smacker wrote:
Hrett wrote:
So, I have been away for a few days. Can somone give me a list of alliances that have joined so far?

Well, there's the one you are in. Look for a Caldari alliance called "Villore Accords[dot]" shortly. Lol


Super Chair is running the alliance, "Caldari State Capturing"

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#12 - 2012-01-31 20:17:08 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
In general, can corps within the same alliance be at war with each other?


No I wasn't meaning opposing Militias being in same alliance, just corps from Cal & Amarr being able to ally or Minmatar & Gallente corps. They would still need to have standings for both Militias with each corp, but I think it would be an interesting way to better tie both fights together.

Misread what you wanted. Yeah, it would be interesting and it would help all the current Caldari FW corps currently hiding under the protection of the Amarr militia. Big smile

But seriously, why not? Maybe it would be a coding nightmare since it would mean the alliance would have to be both Caldari and Amarr, which would mean "why can't a single corp join both Amarr and Caldari"? Maybe it limits an unused option of mixing up FW a bit by making it a free for all (G vs C vs M vs A), or ally Gallente + Caldari against Minmatar + Amarr (for example).
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#13 - 2012-01-31 20:18:30 UTC
Dowla Daupor wrote:
Hrett wrote:
So, I have been away for a few days. Can somone give me a list of alliances that have joined so far?


I'm interested in this to, it wouldn't be surprising if FW was so dead alliances wouldn't even bother though. I mean they can already grief FW without joining.

Yeah, FW is so dead that the three of the four militias would be about 8th on eve-kill.net's Top 20 in kills every month. And the combination of Gallente + Minmatar would rank near No. 1.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#14 - 2012-01-31 20:28:36 UTC
Dirk Smacker wrote:
Alliances should help out a lot from an organization standpoint.

However, I'd be careful getting too high a percentage of active militia pilots into the same alliance. Corporations could wardec them and effectively join the opposing militia while paying to avoid getting shot at in enemy hi sec.


But a wardeccing corp can't join a militia with an existing wardec, can it?


High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#15 - 2012-01-31 20:35:47 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
In general, can corps within the same alliance be at war with each other?


No I wasn't meaning opposing Militias being in same alliance, just corps from Cal & Amarr being able to ally or Minmatar & Gallente corps. They would still need to have standings for both Militias with each corp, but I think it would be an interesting way to better tie both fights together.

Example we have set up SQUIDS. in Caldari Militia and slowly getting the ball rolling with it, but we are also soon going to set up a second corp on the Amarr side that will work with our Caldari corp and vice versa.

The idea is that we will then be tied into both fighting fronts and can easily have pilots move between the two when ever they want as there will be guys they already know to fly with on both fronts. The only way I can do this now, is to set both corps up and then use a joint intel channel for both.

I just think it would be kinda cool to be able to put both corps in the same alliance rather than having to keep them as completely separate entities aside from working together via an intel channels. This way both corps could better be tie into each others war fronts as they would be officially allied.

I just figure that if given the option by CCP that others might also use this kind of set up to better tie the two war fronts together into a more broad fight vs just random roams into one another space.


If your goal is to share intel, I would think a shared intel channel is best rather than going through the trouble of setting up an Amarr corp. And then pilots have to go through the logistical headache of moving ships from Caldari space back down to Amarr space. You start losing a few members and you're not as strong as you could be especially given how many newbs you have.

I would think just focusing on one warfront is enough.

Chinese Proverb: A man had two rabbits that got away from him. Both went in opposite directions. He tried chasing both only to lose both.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard
#16 - 2012-02-01 14:57:07 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:


Chinese Proverb: A man had two rabbits that got away from him. Both went in opposite directions. He tried chasing both only to lose both.


Watch some Jackie Chan movies and you'll understand it even better. Lol
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#17 - 2012-02-01 15:14:51 UTC
Well there is...wait...I mean....hmmm...i know there was one...o wait...um nope no one



Hrett wrote:
So, I have been away for a few days. Can somone give me a list of alliances that have joined so far?

nom nom
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2012-02-01 15:31:01 UTC
Hrett wrote:
So, I have been away for a few days. Can somone give me a list of alliances that have joined so far?


Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris has joined, but hasn't bought many pilots new to FW Blink

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#19 - 2012-02-01 16:10:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Deen Wispa wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
In general, can corps within the same alliance be at war with each other?


No I wasn't meaning opposing Militias being in same alliance, just corps from Cal & Amarr being able to ally or Minmatar & Gallente corps. They would still need to have standings for both Militias with each corp, but I think it would be an interesting way to better tie both fights together.

Example we have set up SQUIDS. in Caldari Militia and slowly getting the ball rolling with it, but we are also soon going to set up a second corp on the Amarr side that will work with our Caldari corp and vice versa.

The idea is that we will then be tied into both fighting fronts and can easily have pilots move between the two when ever they want as there will be guys they already know to fly with on both fronts. The only way I can do this now, is to set both corps up and then use a joint intel channel for both.

I just think it would be kinda cool to be able to put both corps in the same alliance rather than having to keep them as completely separate entities aside from working together via an intel channels. This way both corps could better be tie into each others war fronts as they would be officially allied.

I just figure that if given the option by CCP that others might also use this kind of set up to better tie the two war fronts together into a more broad fight vs just random roams into one another space.


If your goal is to share intel, I would think a shared intel channel is best rather than going through the trouble of setting up an Amarr corp. And then pilots have to go through the logistical headache of moving ships from Caldari space back down to Amarr space. You start losing a few members and you're not as strong as you could be especially given how many newbs you have.

I would think just focusing on one warfront is enough.

Chinese Proverb: A man had two rabbits that got away from him. Both went in opposite directions. He tried chasing both only to lose both.



I get what you are saying and I've also thought of this, which is why I think it would be much easier if it could be done on an Alliance basis vs having to use two separate corps. As for the goal, it's not really so much about the intel aspect of it, but rather to have a better tie into both war fronts.

TBH it gets old fighting the same guys over an over and honesty I really don't look at FW war targets as my primary focus. FW is great for getting fast fights pretty often, but typically those fights just revolve around 1 side blobbing the other in a very predicable manor. I prefer small gang roaming and hunting targets all around low sec, but also in null sec.

I don't want to have just another corp that recruits 50-100 guys and has them blobbing out the local pipes.. FW has far too much of that already. I'd prefer to run two smaller corps that work with each other using a central base for doing joint roams, but also use two forward bases with-in each war zone.

IMO it's really not that big of an issue on the logistical side as if you pick the right locations it can be as little as 7 jumps from one war front to the other. Doing something like this allows you to be able to put guys into either war front fairly easily with out having to do the same stale roam every single day.

Overall the goal is to equal "variety".