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What can I do with my 1 POS?

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Myali Aoi
Wormhole Bruisers
#1 - 2012-01-31 06:05:15 UTC
My corp lives out of a wormhole, and as benefit of being a member we each get our own moon to install a POS at for personal storage/whatever we want, given it maintains fuel/stront, etc.


I'm wondering what all exactly I can use it for to make some isk on the side? I don't know a whole lot about POS's, so I'm not quite sure how I can use them. This is also with 1 alt trader/industry/miner character, my main has no industry skills and I would prefer not to start a third account.

Alt skills aside, as I'd gladly train up for what's necessary, again what can I do that's profitable? I've looked into T2 production but since WH space moons don't provide any resources I can't mine them for anything and I'd have to just purchase everything from the market, haul into my WH, produce, then haul back out which given market prices of the resources I've found doesn't seem to make any profit at all.

T1 module production is of course useless. Ship production is possible but again, T1 hulls sell for less than mineral cost for most that I've found and T2 hulls run into the moon-goo problem.

I thought about just setting up some labs to do research on some BPO's and try to invent to T2 BPCs, but I'm not entirely positive how exactly that works or if it's very profitable at all.

T3 Production would be nice as I have easy access to all sleeper materials necessary, but AFAIK it's extremely difficult if not impossible to do on one character/one POS.

Drug production would be difficult getting gas out of low/nullsec.

Any ideas? I considered pumping out something like a mobile small warp disruptor as the profit seems decent enough, but the volume moving is so low.

Halp :(
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2012-01-31 06:37:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Myali Aoi wrote:
T1 module production is of course useless.

I earn 750m-1.5b a month from T1. I like it since I can make a tonne of it with low-skill alts, and not have to babysit it like T2.

But back to the subject at hand, my personal experience of living in w-space is that industry is a hugely bad idea there. It marks you as a carebear ripe for ransoming, and means your POS defenses are weaker.

I nearly lost everything, and moved my industry to a second tower in hisec.
Gumby Ambraelle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-01-31 14:24:47 UTC
I agree with the previous poster....

The best thing to do in a WH is keep a low profile... do alot of PI and run sites with the group...

Manufacturing is very difficult and you will get ganked for doing it at some point....Shocked

gotta love those roving bands of people with nothing beter to do
Heavy Miner
Blackout Paradigm
#4 - 2012-01-31 15:14:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Heavy Miner
WH moons are void of any materials, right?
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-01-31 15:25:10 UTC
Heavy Miner wrote:
WH moons are void of any materials, right?


Yes, moon mining gives you nothing.
Tho this doesnt stop you from doing reactions. Get some silos and a reactor, easy money and it can run like 200 hours without need of a highsec run.
If you want to do this in a large POS you will need to do 2 reactions or something more, like science in a lab because you will earn about as much as it takes to fuel the POS.
Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#6 - 2012-01-31 15:37:41 UTC
What size tower are you proposing to set up? What class WH are you in?

In general, production in a wh is pretty much more effort than it is worth. On paper, you might make okay isk, but there is a ton of hauling in and out, and you are always at risk of being attacked. HS is just better for most production.

Lab(s)s are an okay idea, as long as you have a plan for getting out any expensive goods if you are sieged. Under worst-case scenarios, BPOs are small enough that you can just load em into a covert ops and log off while your tower is destroyed. The small advantage to labs in w-space is that you do not need standing with the local faction to anchor them, but you always run the risk of transporting BPOS into/out of the w-space system. Make sure you are very familiar and comfortable with all the details of running camps in cov ops.

Finally, the real question - do you really need your own tower? I *think* tower fuel is running 100/200/400 mil per month right now. If you share with another person, you cut the burden in half. The real money in w-space is PI and sites. The risk is that some other pilot steals your crap. Almost all the value in sites are from the 'bounties' and the nanoribbons, which can easily be secured in secure containers. For PI, you can kind of use your customs offices for storage, although we have a 'materials sharing' system that works well - we dump all P1 that comes from a planet into one hangar tab and allow anyone to take it. You take what you need to make your P2, P3, etc., and leave any excess. It does take a bit of tweaking, but everyone ends up better off and less hauling. Granted, on paper, P1 may be the most profitable, it is a PITA to haul out and sell so often. With POCOs, you can kind of keep track of who is importing/exporting, so you can identify anyone that is just leaching PI.

TL;DR:
One large tower in a wormhole is generally enough for a pretty good size corp. Additional POS get to be cost ineffective. Deal with security however best you can w/o resorting to multiple towers.
Myali Aoi
Wormhole Bruisers
#7 - 2012-01-31 15:46:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Myali Aoi
We're in a C2 with a high sec static and I was planning on throwing up a large POS. Security isn't too much of an issue as we are a fairly large corp with multiple dickstars and a large alliance backing. Most of my profit comes from doing sleeper sites, making 700 mil a week or so.

The POS is mostly going to be for a personal CHA/SMA to store my own stuff at so I don't have to use one of the corp provided ones that is shared with everyone. The rest of it was just something else to use the POS for to help alleviate the fuel cost or even provide a little extra fun/change. Most people in system (we have about 12 POS's) do gas reactions from the sleeper ladar sites. I considered doing that, but I don't want to encroach on an already heavily used market in the area.
Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#8 - 2012-01-31 16:56:21 UTC
C1s might get away with a medium POS, but C2s pretty much require a Large, so you are looking at the right size (imho).

The next best 'natural' use of a POS in w-space is gas-polymer reactions; however, one Large POS can generally keep an entire C2 'clean' of gas sites, so this may be a moot point. Do you have any other statics? If you have a c1 or c2 static to farm, you 'might' be able to rationalize a polymer reactor train. When you look at the math, there is very little profit from gas reacting (some of the gases are more valuable then their products, even). IF you are running the tower anyway, you can write off the fuel cost and you might improve the profit calcs some. Finally, the more profitable raw gases are generally in C4s and above.

After that, you can look at the (previously mentioned) T2 material reactions. I have not checked in a while, but there used to be certain segments of this industry that you could profit from (again, esp. if you are assume fuel costs are already 'paid'). It is a bit of work and you have to learn a few ins and outs, as well as having the capital to sink into the process. On the flip side, if there are a plethora of towers in the wormhole, you could buddy up with some others to do pairs of reactions in parallel or higher level reactions in series.

Even if you are mining in the wh, you pretty much have to haul out to refine (refiners suck,esp w/ a HS static available anyway), so general manufacturing is (again) a bit of a nuisance; however, if you are living in the wh anyway, you can also manufacture a bit just of the hell of it. Hauling minerals back in after refining in HS can sometimes be easier than hauling from some random hi-sec to market. The usual problem is you have no low-level minerals, only the zyd, nocxium, and mega, so you have to actually buy or otherwise acquire the low ends to complete your manufacturing. Mining low ends in a wh with a hi sec static is rarely worth the risk, but with a big enough fleet, it might be okay.

Invention/BPC runs are your next best bet, I would think. The materials will be there anyway, and if you are going to have a POS, might as well use it. I would only do expensive ME BPO work in the wh if you had no access to HS slots, and even then, be careful during transport.

Btw, if nothing else, train to fly and then build a Rorq, just for the hell of it.
Myali Aoi
Wormhole Bruisers
#9 - 2012-01-31 17:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Myali Aoi
We've got a C4 static that the rest of the gassers keep pretty much mined out. I could get in some now and then but it wouldn't be super reliable.

I'm thinking I'll just do invention/BPC stuff as I can just set it going and leave it for multiple runs, plus it wont require me buying a ton of third party materials AFAIK.

Moving stuff in and out shouldn't be too difficult, plenty of cloaky stuff and knowledge of hauling expensive stuff
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#10 - 2012-01-31 18:01:01 UTC
No one has mentioned reactions yet, and this is IMO a good low skill/low time option. Download eve IPH in my sig and play around with the reactions tab. With a C1 you can stockpile mats from Jita and ferry them in and out. I did this with a badger ii in a c1 but you could do this in an orca in a c2.

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Myali Aoi
Wormhole Bruisers
#11 - 2012-01-31 18:21:53 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
No one has mentioned reactions yet, and this is IMO a good low skill/low time option. Download eve IPH in my sig and play around with the reactions tab. With a C1 you can stockpile mats from Jita and ferry them in and out. I did this with a badger ii in a c1 but you could do this in an orca in a c2.


I checked out your program, quick question. On the reactions page I check Hybrid Polymers and refresh and then select an item on the left. It shows isk per hour at around 2.5 mil. Does that take into account purchasing the required materials on the bottom right? (c50, c60, pyerite in this case) or does it assume I provide the materials myself? I don't see an option like on the Blueprint page to ignore raws.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#12 - 2012-01-31 18:39:56 UTC
Yes. With hybrid stuff you can mine it for sale or react it for the profit seen there. I'm using the minerals I mine are not free rule. However, with moon mats I allow to ignore that since you can moon mine the mats and then use them again in a higher reaction.

So for your purposes, you can look at advanced moon mats and uncheck the ignore box to see how much profit you can make per hour to react. Approximate your fuel cost per hour and find stuff that makes a total profit and react away. I remember nano transistors being a good one.

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