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W-space on test server: How does it work?
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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-01-26 02:00:28 UTC
I posted this query to the test server forum ... but no response. Now wondering whether I'd have been better to ask here in the first place.

Can anyone here advise re SISI w-space?


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SISI noob: How does SISI w-space work?

I'm a SISI noob, having just setup my first test server client. My hope is to use SISI to test viability of 'solo' running a c5 system. My initial research suggests a couple potential problems with that plan, so I'd appreciate the advice of some more experienced folk before I dive in too deep.

1. Access to high-end w-systems

Am I correct in assuming that w-systems in SISI are pretty quiet and, as a result, that I will not find too many K162s in empire space? Accordingly would I be best to find myself a low level w-system with suitable static and just cycle the static until I find an empty suitable c5?

2. Turnover / spawn-rates of sigs and anoms?

Is there adequate sig / anom spawning in SISI w-space? I'm concerned that if we clear the system during our testing we may not get new sigs / anoms spawning. Perhaps SISI w-space sig/anom spawning follows a different dynamic to TQ.

Are there any other catches or gotchas concerning SISI w-space that I should know about?

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Vjorn Angannon
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#2 - 2012-01-26 03:58:06 UTC
Heya Sub,

I have very limited experience doing w-space on SiSi, but I "think" SiSi works the same as TQ.

A couple things you could try:

1) instead of looking for K162's, try going to low or null and scan for N432. Sig sizes I believe are 2.5 for low and 10 for nul.

2) if you really have the patience to wait for the next mirror, find a couple c5's on TQ and insert disposable scan alts. They will then carry over to SiSi on the next mirror. (no promises on WHEN that will happen tho).

Keep in mind that the mirror does NOT carry over any player owned structures from TQ (ie. POS's)

hmmmm just thought of something else.....do you have any friends on tq that currently live in a C5? if so, contact them and see if they are willing to log onto sisi to give you an entry point (assuming ofc they were logged in a scan ship in thec5 during the mirrorShocked )

Anyways, best o' luck
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-01-26 04:20:57 UTC
Vjorn Angannon wrote:
2) if you really have the patience to wait for the next mirror, find a couple c5's on TQ and insert disposable scan alts. They will then carry over to SiSi on the next mirror. (no promises on WHEN that will happen tho).


Excellent suggestion, thanks.

I can do that in TQ, and search in SISI at the same time.

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Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-01-26 12:32:17 UTC
easiest way to do this would be to find a c5/6 static c5. chain collapse untill you find a C5 with a static c2 and take that. you will always have an easy connection to empire space through the c2. c1's are bad because it doesnt allow orca's, c3 are mostly lowsec connections which again makes logistics harder.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-01-26 21:03:37 UTC
Hathrul wrote:
easiest way to do this would be to find a c5/6 static c5. chain collapse untill you find a C5 with a static c2 and take that. you will always have an easy connection to empire space through the c2. c1's are bad because it doesnt allow orca's, c3 are mostly lowsec connections which again makes logistics harder.


Yes, that's the logic I'd take in TQ but SISI seems to be very different in a number of ways. I guess it's because very few w-systems are occupied, but there are virtually no wormholes available. I've scanned a heap of lowsec / nullsec systems now and found a single wormhole (other than the one I was in when I first stepped over to SISI) ... and it was a lowsec - lowsec N944.

Another responder's advice ... put a toon into a suitable system in TQ and then open them up in SISI after the next data update ... may have been the best approach. Unfortunately (now) I think I've killed that option by already logging my main players, certainly my scanners, in on SISI. Perhaps if I trainup an empty toon to basic scanner level and pop him in a TQ C2 static-hisec/C5, that will provide me the access I'm after.

Also, if SISI w-space is so quiet then setting-up in a C5 may not be such a good idea. Once I've test-killed all the sites there I may get no more spawned. I think a C2 static-hisec/C5 is prolly the best staging point for this effort .... or just forget SISI and dive in in TQ.

Thanks, for the thoughtful reply.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2012-01-26 23:44:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
W-space on SiSi is exactly the same, but there are far far far fewer K162 which makes travel harder.

Nearly all the systems I've been in are untouched have lots and lots and lots of sites. They are a huge pain to scan when you are looking for wormholes.

Make use of one-probe scanning results or you'll never get anywhere fast.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2012-01-26 23:58:18 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Nearly all the systems I've been in are untouched have lots and lots and lots of sites. They are a huge pain to scan when you are looking for wormholes.


Thanks, that's good news.

I will just keep scanning then. Once I get to a C2, and the resultant statics, then I reckon i will be fine.

p.s. It's really weird playing the same toon (my main scanner alt) in TQ and SISI at the same time.

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Bibosikus
Air
#8 - 2012-01-28 01:26:40 UTC
K162's represent about 95% of all wormholes in Empire, and they are only generated by being actively scanned by a player on the other side. So on SISI you pretty much won't find any after a recent mirror, and still very few later on simply because of the low numbers of players who use the server.

What you can find though are the much rarer R943, X702 etc. and the one you're looking for - M555 which is a highsec Empire hole leading to a C5 class system. But these take a lot of work to find, simply because there aren't a lot of them. You can increase your chances by moving to low or null to scan, but not by a lot.

The above advice about dropping some scanners into a C5 or two on TQ is your best best.

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-01-28 03:18:01 UTC
thanks bibo. good info.

I have scanned 50+ systems so far ... hi/lo/null ... and only found one lowsec=>lowsec wormhole. bleahh. I will head back out to hisec and try my luck with the M555, or a lucky K162.

and i will train a basic alt to scan and get him into a C2 in TQ for the next mirror. Not so easy it seems :-)

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Pythag Malikai
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort
Deepwater Hooligans
#10 - 2012-01-29 13:46:13 UTC
If you're looking to drop a scanner in a C2 to find static C5s, there is only one region of C2s that have static C5s, and that's Region 7. The corresponding K-space static in this region is Nullsec. As such, you'd have the best shot at this by scanning 0.0 for a K162 and getting lucky. Good luck.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-01-29 21:08:12 UTC
Pythag Malikai wrote:
If you're looking to drop a scanner in a C2 to find static C5s, there is only one region of C2s that have static C5s, and that's Region 7. The corresponding K-space static in this region is Nullsec. As such, you'd have the best shot at this by scanning 0.0 for a K162 and getting lucky. Good luck.


Hey thanks. First nullsec system last night and I found an N432 into a C5 static-C5. Hopefully not too much WH-chaining and I'll get to a C5 static-C2 and then a C2 static-C5 ... which should serve my needs admirably.

Got to collapse my first WH using a freighter. No doubt old-hat for old-hands but a new and exciting experience for me :-)

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Qual
Knights of a Once Square Table INC.
#12 - 2012-01-30 10:28:25 UTC
If you are lucky and you have a good enough reason you might be able to get a BH or GM to move you to a C5 system on Sisi. Just remember to be very polite about it, as its not usually a service provided, but granted the fact that POS setups dont survive on SISI mirrors it can be hard to get into wh space to test stuff, so they might give you a hand...
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2012-01-30 23:53:54 UTC
Qual wrote:
If you are lucky and you have a good enough reason you might be able to get a BH or GM to move you to a C5 system on Sisi.


Thanks. I had thought about that, but now that I've managed to get into a C5 static-C5 I reckon all will be fine and beaut ... eventually. That 'fine and beaut' assessment is subject to my, just now, stupidly losing a freighter on the wrong side of the static I was collapsing. Victim of inattention and the mass variation :-(

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Tas Nok
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-01-31 10:35:05 UTC
you've gotten some good advice here already but I would add a couple points:

on TQ with your disposable alts once in, just stay logged, esp if the place is claimed, I cannot think of any C5 residents who will not make an effort to pin and eliminate you given the chance. You could be super-polite and mail the ceo with a link to this thread, but who knows what will happen then... Keep an eye on Dotlan, it will still tell you if they are super-active or not.

on Sisi just remember to bring everything you need (its plenty cheap) and those c3's that lead to LS are gonna be pretty empty and iirc every region has 3-4 stations (or more) with everything stocked, so even in Null-LS its usually no issue to move a freighter load without scouts or escort (even if you get ganked, which is permitted now) you can buy all your stuff again for a pittance, more likely you can dump a quick sm tower, wherever you come out...(if no stations) freighter in a ton, and unload to orcas for the deeper move back to your c5

I'll let you figure out for yourself how WH life in a C5 works, just remember that not a lot of folks are clearing sigs and noms on sisi, so your re-spawn will likely be completely different. the likelihood of hostiles visiting you in a c5 on Sisi is also very low, so anything that would be effected by the radically different population is important to keep in mind.

As another poster stated, if the GM's have time and are feeling very generous, they might just pop you into a c5 on sisi, so 1st order of business is a fully loaded rorq, or orca (need to be able to launch things, and store ships) with POS, fuel, scan ships, so when you ask you are gtg if they push the move button.

GL

P.S. I miss the moveme bot on sisi that let you go anywhere... it was removed because ****heads in fake combat couldn't stand to lose a ship and moved in the middle of combat. now it only sends you to the main test system...