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Aloron

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 5

#1 - 2012-01-31 03:27:28 UTC

Hi Everyone,

I need some advice , I have been running level 2 secuirty missions with my hurricane .. and I just got the mother of all missions .. 3 zones and rats that were worth 300K each ..

well to put it short my hurricane is now gone ..

So I am looking for a new ship and dont know what i sould be aiming for .. I was told at one poitn a maurder is the best but i have well over 3 months of training before i can build / fly it ..

So any advice , or just another hurricane ..

I am doing level 2 mission until i build up my standings to do level 3 and 4 ..

thanks ..

Jonny Frost

RavenhoId

Likes received: 12

#2 - 2012-01-31 03:32:13 UTC | Edited by: Jonny Frost

You should really be able to do all leve 2's in a Hurricane without a problem. A maurader or probably a Machariel is your best bet for future plans however firstly you might wanna think about why your cane died in a level 2 ;-)

A bad fitting or killing the wrong triggers for example?

Because I was bored I thought I'd throw up a fitting of something to do it like:

[Hurricane, PVE]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Stasis Webifier II
10MN Afterburner II

425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
Medium Nosferatu II
Medium Nosferatu II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1

Depending on the number of frigates in the mission I'd change the tracking computer script but its cap stable assuming good skills and there is alot of slots to play with with good damage and good tank - changing to specific hardners for each mission.

...Got even more bored you can also go the other way for PVE like:

[Hurricane, PVE]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster

425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
Medium Nosferatu II
Medium Nosferatu II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defence Operational Solidifier II

Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1

Aloron

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 5

#3 - 2012-01-31 04:05:00 UTC

Thanks Johnny ,

if i rememeber right my setup was something like your first one .. but with power caps in the middle .. because i rememeber clicking on two armor hardeners on the bottom and the armor repair tool .. the microwarp in the middle and then guns and missiles on top .. 2 launchers the rest guns ..

i looked at battle clinc but done see my load out there anymore ..

School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 271
Sal Landry School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State Likes received: 271	#4 - 2012-01-31 04:07:06 UTC 1 If you had that type of rats in a level 2 mission then you didn't have to kill them at all. Next time actually read the mission description instead of just hitting accept + undock.

Cephelange du'Krevviq

Gildinous Vangaurd

The Initiative.

Likes received: 293

#5 - 2012-01-31 04:09:54 UTC | Edited by: Cephelange du'Krevviq

I suspect you had "Recon 1 of 1." Read the mission description, and be sure you have the Mission Reports site bookmarked in your in-game browser.

As to running Levels 2s, a Rupture or Stabber should both work just fine. Obviously, substitute Tech I in where you can't fit Tech II. This is set up to fight Angel Cartel; change hardeners and ammo to suit target.

[Rupture, PvE]
Medium Armor Repairer II
N-Type Explosive Hardener I
N-Type Kinetic Hardener I
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II

Y-S8 Hydrocarbon Afterburners
'Orion' Tracking CPU I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon I, Fusion M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon I, Fusion M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon I, Fusion M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon I, Fusion M
Standard Missile Launcher I, Piranha Light Missile
Standard Missile Launcher I, Piranha Light Missile

Warrior I x5
Warrior I x1

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"


Aloron Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 5	#6 - 2012-01-31 04:16:48 UTC It might have been Cephelange , but its 1 of 3 .. part 1 was fine , 2 was hairy with 3 300K rats and part 3 was 6 300K rats .. and that is when i bought it .. i finished the mission .. but lost the ship in the prossess

Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 398
Mike Whiite Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State Likes received: 398	#7 - 2012-01-31 08:53:09 UTC Open character sheet-> open Certificates -> Open Certificate planner ->open core look at core certificates that are not standard: Open Defence Look at Armor related certificates that are not at standard lvl. That is why you die. moving to the next ship without a proper base will probably only result in the loss of a more expensive ship.

Elena Melkan

Magellanic Itg

Goonswarm Federation

Likes received: 108

#8 - 2012-01-31 09:11:56 UTC

Even a cruiser is enough to do lvl 2 missions. Hurricane rolls through level 3 missions pretty smoothly. I agree with reply above that you should first get your base skills right before moving to anything bigger or more expensive ship.

If it was Recon mission, then you weren't supposed to kill anything in the mission, just scout the area and return to your agent. Your ship is probably just fine for doing level 2's, those cruisers in Recon 1 are pretty tough, easily compared to those found in lvl 4 missions. No wonder you had problems with them!

But how did you lose your ship during the mission? Did something warp scramble you or what?

Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 606
Caleidascope Republic Military School Minmatar Republic Likes received: 606	#9 - 2012-01-31 10:06:40 UTC Trains keep on rolling. Trolls keep on trolling. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first!

Aloron

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 5

#10 - 2012-01-31 13:44:05 UTC

Thanks for the advice Mike .. right now i have all the core certs at elite and working on having all the defence ones at elite too .. Guns and drones are all at either standard or improved ..

But I am not to sure what happen .. i was fighting away and then saw my shields were at 40% kicked up the armor hardners and started the armor repair tool .. then i looked again armor was down to 60, 50, 30 .. tried to recall drones and warp out .. drones where back was into hull .. then boom !! dead

Aloron

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 5

#11 - 2012-01-31 13:47:46 UTC

Wow really Elena .. I didnt know those ships were that hard or i would have just scouted out the mission like it said .. only reason i was tring to kill them was because i am broke in the game ... spend all my money on the hurricane and tech 2 mods ..

but lucky with the money i got from insurance , i had enough to be able to build another , so building another hurricane right now .. now just need to re figure out the mods to use ..

and will keep training core stuff to elite and then start working on the maurder skills :)

thanks everyone for the help ..


Cephelange du'Krevviq Gildinous Vangaurd The Initiative. Likes received: 293	#12 - 2012-01-31 14:02:20 UTC Just remember the EVE mantra - don't fly what you can't afford to lose. You shouldn't ever make yourself so broke from buying a ship you're SOL if you lose it. "I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"

Mike Whiite

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

Likes received: 398

#13 - 2012-01-31 14:33:40 UTC

Aloron wrote:

I didn't mean to patronise you, though most of the time players start failing with ships that should run the lvl type missions with their eyes closed they forgot that aside from guns and spaceship comand there are other skills you need to know.

Bugsy VanHalen

Society of lost Souls

Likes received: 1,068

#14 - 2012-01-31 15:37:06 UTC

If you are well skilled than most likely your problem is you are over fitting your ship. Level 2 missions can be done in a well fill frigate or very easily in a cruiser. it would be a huge PITA to do level 2s with a Battleship. large guns just do not track the small fast ships very well, although a well fit battleship would have no problem tanking the mission.

a hurricane is borderline to big to run level 2 missions. in fact some missions it would be to large to access the gates. You are most likely fitting to large of guns on it to track the small ships you encounter in level 2 missions. fit the smallest, fastest tracking, medium guns on it , fill the low slots with gyro's and good passive tank in the mids, should more than handle any level 2 mission. I have actually completed level 4s with my cane and drake but they are very slow. When I was doing level 2 missions i used a rupture armor tanked with a repper and rarely had to turn the repper on. no armor plates, they slow you down to much, armor hardeners and a armor repairer

The only way I could see losing a cane in a level 2 mission is if it was armor tanked with 1600mm plates making it very slow and easy for the NPCs to hit, and equipped with the largest medium guns which would have trouble hitting the small fast ships encountered in level 2 missions. Some can be scary if you agro the whole room, but even then if you prioritize targets right you should be able to tank the full agro of every room in any level 2 mission.

There are two way to prioritize targets. one is take out all the frigates that might web you(not sure if NPC's will even web in level 2's) or take out the DPS first(this is what I usually do) Knock out the big ships first to bring down incoming DPS and you will have no problem tanking the small ships that are left while you mop up the room.

You should read up on the mission titles in EVEwiki if you find one you have trouble with. often there are single ships in the mission that once killed will triger the next spawn, if you are unlucky enough to pop several triggers right off the start then you could quickly get overwhelmed facing all the waves at once. If you do not want to spend time reading the mission guides then a good rule of thumb is generally, if there are several ships each of the same type/name and a single of a different type/name the single one is a trigger.

I am pretty sure that you do not get webbed or scrammed in level 2 missions. if you get into trouble warp off rep your ship and come back. As long as you kill at least one ship each time you warp in you will reduce the DPS for the next time you warp in making it easier to tank what is left.

Pecunia Infinita 25
AstarothPrime Pecunia Infinita Likes received: 25	#15 - 2012-01-31 15:42:59 UTC If something wtfpwns your BC in lev 2 mission then its is quite likely it isnt ment to be killd, but run from :) There are many such missions, I love them because its easy and fast money and standings... Regards I.

Bugsy VanHalen

Society of lost Souls

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#16 - 2012-01-31 15:45:54 UTC | Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen

Aloron wrote:

Sorry I missed the point of it being a recon mission. Elena is right. I often tried to do the same clearing the mission just for the extra kills but It is very hard to do as the fleet present is far above what you would normally expect in a level 2 or even level 3 mission.

You would be much better off just blitzing the level 2s as fast as you can to get your standings up enough to do level 3 missions. Do not neglect your social skills. social 4 and connections 4 make a huge difference when getting your standings up. For serious mission runners they are worth getting to 5 but training them to 4 will drastically increase your standings and increase the standing boost you get from each mission. The few days of training will save you weeks of grinding standings.

My main mission runner has social 5 connections 4 and security connections 4 and it only took me a few weeks to get my standings with the Caldari Navy up over 7.0 effective standings. Would be barely over 6.0 without the social skills boost. I believe once you get standings over 8.0 you can use that corps stations with medical facilities to create jump clones which is a nice thing to have even in high sec.

Aloron

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 5

#17 - 2012-01-31 16:19:19 UTC

Mike Whiite wrote:

Aloron wrote:

I know Mike, and its ok .. I have been playing Eve on and off for well over 6 years now .. and everytime I think I am doing something right or that I have fig this game out .. I am way wrong ..

I come from a day when there were not that many skill books , so when I come back to the game after taking a little break it gets confusing because I have to learn the basis all over again .. Plus with no friends or anything for support its even harder .. all my friends stopped playing and there chars have been sold off long ago ..

I also messed my char up , because back in the day I tried to learn a wild range of skills and that hurt me in the long run .. but I have a plan and working towards that , but will take time to learn the skills up ..

As for not having enough money I have yet to figure out a way in this game to make money other than running missions .. I have tried PI and it worked for a little bite until the changed it and now I am all confused on that .. and what little money I do have goes towards skills books I need and BPO"S .. so i dont know what to say when it comes to that ..

Thanks for the advice Bugsy , I know I need to work on my socail skills they such , I dont even have most of them learned yet .. but tring to get the "defense" stuff done first before I switch to something else .. But it is on my list , just need to train faster .. even stats right now with +3 implants still takes forever ..

Thanks everyone for the advice !!!

My new hurricane should be done in about another 7 hours , so now just need to rebuild or buy the mods .. but still now sure what stuff i need .. Keep the advice coming .. PLEASE ..

Thanks again ..

Aloron

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#18 - 2012-02-01 02:43:45 UTC

Ok I think I got it .. if i rememeber right this was my last setup .. I had going .. should i go with it again .. or use one of the others listed above ??

thanks ..

===========================
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Cant Rememeber Hardener II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
10MN Microwarp II

425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
Missle Launcher
Missle Launcher

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

minumin

Corellian Trading Corporation

Likes received: 10

#19 - 2012-02-01 09:37:34 UTC

asuming you will use the hurricane for level 3 also
make sure the hardeneres match the damage the npc do
with microwarp drive you may have speed but consumes a lot of capacitor, not only when running but also just for fitting it you loose capacitor pool
if you have to repair much you could remain without cap so could try to use an afterburner
as for those armor rigs there is a penalty using more than 2
for the 3rd penalty is quite high, could use as 3rd rig the nanobot accelerator, will descrease time between repair cycles

also could try an arty fit, depending of what missions you get, with rats coming to you or orbiting at distance
should have room for MAR, 10MN AB, 6x650 t2 arty and 2 Heavy Missile launcher
light drones to be used agains close frigs

Aloron

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 5

#20 - 2012-02-02 04:08:54 UTC

I found it .. the setup i was using before i but boom ..

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II

Assault Missile Launcher II
Assault Missile Launcher II
650mm Artillery Cannon II
650mm Artillery Cannon II
650mm Artillery Cannon II
650mm Artillery Cannon II
650mm Artillery Cannon II
650mm Artillery Cannon II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I

Hobgoblin

Please let me know what you guys think .. Thanks !!!

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