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There will never be a CSM representative for highsec..

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#101 - 2012-01-30 21:44:37 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
Didn't the carebears have a CSM once? Iirc she threw spoons at the CCP devs and then broke the NDA by giving another developer info she learned during the CSM meetings.

Ironically Ankh is with Polaris Syndicate these days basing themselves out of NPC 0.0
shooting at a csm delegate
feels good man


Technically they have had several carebears in the earlier CSMs, several that never were seen throwing silverware. I was however engaged in a battle to the death with a waffle maker the tirst time I was in the CSM.

Issler
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#102 - 2012-01-30 22:46:49 UTC
Xorv wrote:
A good portion of High Sec are alts of people that play elsewhere. Unlike Sov Null those that spend most of their time in High Sec don't have common interests, in fact many are diametrically opposed. Everyone in EVE knows the workings of High Sec space very well, but those that only stay in High Sec are often ignorant of Null, WH, and even Low Sec space, making them a poor choice of candidate.

I think despite their relatively small numbers Wormholers and Faction War players have a much better chance of getting good representation than any "High Sec candidate" that simply can't feasibly represent such a large diverse group of players.


This man has clearly been paying attention and speaks the truth.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#103 - 2012-01-31 02:18:35 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Tres Farmer wrote:
Because people who play in high sec and who aren't alts of any other group aren't as passionate about the game.
And being passionate about the game is needed to become a CSM representative.. it's additional stress and work besides playing this game, which even after you did it to the best of your knowledge and ability in 90% of the cases earns you mockery and verbal abuse. For people who are just playing casually this is not feasible.
So the only ones, who rally for CSM and take the downsides are those who get something out of it for their group.

It's funny though.. a very large group, composed of casual players has no voice because of the nature of it's members. Cool


Wait. When did it become fashionable to be emotionally invested or "passionate" about this game?

Aren't carebears shunned for taking this game too seriously?

Did someone forget to send out the memo?

Or can this just be the usual carebear-hating hypocritical mantra spewed by the "i-nevar-take-eve-seriously" elitists?


I care about the game deeply. I don't particularly care that Rifter #342 or Abaddon #32 or Hurricane #459 got deadified.

That's what we make fun of the carebears for. "WWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHH Tengu #1 got blowed up by ebil piewates, WWWWWAAAAAAHHHHH CCP FIX THIS OR I WILL GET EVERYONE EVER TO QUIT" That sort of stuff.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#104 - 2012-02-02 07:18:15 UTC
Moved from "EVE General Discussion".

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#105 - 2012-02-03 01:20:30 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
I care about the game deeply. I don't particularly care that Rifter #342 or Abaddon #32 or Hurricane #459 got deadified.

That's what we make fun of the carebears for. "WWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHH Tengu #1 got blowed up by ebil piewates, WWWWWAAAAAAHHHHH CCP FIX THIS OR I WILL GET EVERYONE EVER TO QUIT" That sort of stuff.

What kind of tengu, the 2billion loot pinata type?

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2012-02-03 01:43:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
If any highsec representative has a shot at getting, if not into the Circle of Seven, at least to the Oval of Fourteen, it would be Kelduum Revaan.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#107 - 2012-02-03 03:02:56 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
I care about the game deeply. I don't particularly care that Rifter #342 or Abaddon #32 or Hurricane #459 got deadified.

That's what we make fun of the carebears for. "WWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHH Tengu #1 got blowed up by ebil piewates, WWWWWAAAAAAHHHHH CCP FIX THIS OR I WILL GET EVERYONE EVER TO QUIT" That sort of stuff.

What kind of tengu, the 2billion loot pinata type?


Probably. Mind you, when I last lost a loot pinata, it was valued at ~1b and happened because I went out ratting while watching the AT. My response was to something like "aw shucks" and off buy a new one.

I try to avoid losing ratting ships, as their loss stings for the simple reason that it's entirely my fault I lost it.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#108 - 2012-02-03 15:17:44 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
I care about the game deeply. I don't particularly care that Rifter #342 or Abaddon #32 or Hurricane #459 got deadified.

That's what we make fun of the carebears for. "WWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHH Tengu #1 got blowed up by ebil piewates, WWWWWAAAAAAHHHHH CCP FIX THIS OR I WILL GET EVERYONE EVER TO QUIT" That sort of stuff.

What kind of tengu, the 2billion loot pinata type?


Probably. Mind you, when I last lost a loot pinata, it was valued at ~1b and happened because I went out ratting while watching the AT. My response was to something like "aw shucks" and off buy a new one.

I try to avoid losing ratting ships, as their loss stings for the simple reason that it's entirely my fault I lost it.


I only wish there were more players with this atitude!

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Zixie Draco
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#109 - 2012-02-03 16:01:41 UTC
...hisex dwellers
...noobs
...retards
...loot pinatas
...morons
...carebears
...terribads
...cry babies
...drake fliers
...docker uppers
...can baiters
...can flippers
...can't plays
...anti cool kids



...insert other namecalling here


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Dztrgovac
#110 - 2012-02-07 11:15:03 UTC
Reason there are so few highsec CSM delegates (and now likely there won't be any, because CSM is too important to 00 people to allow loss of a single seat) is that there aren't any thousands strong monolithic blocks of players. So even if there are honest candidates (most "highsec candidates" are trolls or alts or pirates and griefers) they will just split the votes to no end.

Alliance ordering their troops to vote for their delegate is simple. But how can real highsec CSM candidate get the message spread? Forums? Most people ignore them like troll filled plague they are. There are no big channels or communities in game that have sufficient listeners.

And so in our pretty little democracy 70% of players don't get represented at all; or occasionally get one delegate.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#111 - 2012-02-07 11:30:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tallian Saotome
Dztrgovac wrote:
Reason there are so few highsec CSM delegates (and now likely there won't be any, because CSM is too important to 00 people to allow loss of a single seat) is that there aren't any thousands strong monolithic blocks of players. So even if there are honest candidates (most "highsec candidates" are trolls or alts or pirates and griefers) they will just split the votes to no end.

Alliance ordering their troops to vote for their delegate is simple. But how can real highsec CSM candidate get the message spread? Forums? Most people ignore them like troll filled plague they are. There are no big channels or communities in game that have sufficient listeners.

And so in our pretty little democracy 70 of players don't get represented at all; or occasionally get one delegate.

If we had more than a 15 percent voting turnout, the nullsec powerblocs would have diminished voting power.

Vote, or...

Edit:removing percent from the quote, stupid CCP broken BB code

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#112 - 2012-02-07 17:06:50 UTC
Dztrgovac wrote:
Reason there are so few highsec CSM delegates (and now likely there won't be any, because CSM is too important to 00 people to allow loss of a single seat) is that there aren't any thousands strong monolithic blocks of players. So even if there are honest candidates (most "highsec candidates" are trolls or alts or pirates and griefers) they will just split the votes to no end.

Alliance ordering their troops to vote for their delegate is simple. But how can real highsec CSM candidate get the message spread? Forums? Most people ignore them like troll filled plague they are. There are no big channels or communities in game that have sufficient listeners.

And so in our pretty little democracy 70% of players don't get represented at all; or occasionally get one delegate.


Sounds like you want some sort of chat window that everyone automatically has open all the time, like some way of talking to the local population of each system....

Oh wait...

The last HS CSM (Crazy Spoon thrower that she was) went system to system campaigning(lying) about the upcoming nerfs she was planning to fight. She got herself a seat, she got the second most votes of any seat that election. Then she went and broke the NDA.

So spread the message by making some effort and Campaign.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Largo Coronet
Perkone
Caldari State
#113 - 2012-02-07 18:02:13 UTC
There will never be a CSM representative for highsec...

Sorry to belabor the obvious, but you do know that Trebor Deadow, longest serving CSM member, is from highsec?

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2012-02-07 19:43:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Trebor Daehdoow
Largo Coronet wrote:
There will never be a CSM representative for highsec...
Sorry to belabor the obvious, but you do know that Trebor Deadow, longest serving CSM member, is from highsec?

I have spent time in most parts of the game, nullsec sov (in The Initiative), lowsec and nullsec (in DNS), hisec and WH's (my industrial main).

I do however get a lot of support from Hisec voters because I'm accessible and I work hard on issues that are of interest to many broad constituencies. A few of the 3400-odd votes I got last time were even from Goons, though no doubt they'll claim they were drunk at the time... Twisted

PS: Meissa has served on the CSM longer than I have.

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#115 - 2012-02-08 21:07:25 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
A few of the 3400-odd votes I got last time were even from Goons, though no doubt they'll claim they were drunk at the time... Twisted

Could you please report them to, at your option, (1) local Commissariat, (2) Ministry of Propaganda, (3) Local in any GS-frequented area.

We'll take it from there, thanks

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2012-02-09 03:25:18 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Could you please report them to, at your option, (1) local Commissariat, (2) Ministry of Propaganda, (3) Local in any GS-frequented area.

We'll take it from there, thanks

Are you kidding me? The blackmail proceeds are paying for all of my accounts! Twisted

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2012-02-09 11:34:41 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
If any highsec representative has a shot at getting, if not into the Circle of Seven, at least to the Oval of Fourteen, it would be Kelduum Revaan.


True but he wouldn't really be a "highsec rep" - he'd be more about EVE in general than focused on just highsec and the issues there.

Any specific focus... I'd probably look at "new player" support and transitioning them towards other areas vs just highsec concerns.
Eve Is Real
#118 - 2012-02-09 11:51:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Eve Is Real
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#119 - 2012-02-09 14:03:37 UTC
Mocam wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
If any highsec representative has a shot at getting, if not into the Circle of Seven, at least to the Oval of Fourteen, it would be Kelduum Revaan.


True but he wouldn't really be a "highsec rep" - he'd be more about EVE in general than focused on just highsec and the issues there.


HAHAHAHAAHA

Please, you're killing me, tell me another one.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#120 - 2012-02-09 14:22:24 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Largo Coronet wrote:
There will never be a CSM representative for highsec...
Sorry to belabor the obvious, but you do know that Trebor Deadow, longest serving CSM member, is from highsec?

I have spent time in most parts of the game, nullsec sov (in The Initiative), lowsec and nullsec (in DNS), hisec and WH's (my industrial main).


Wait a minute, are you that guy whose presentation included a flaming logo and a turtle in the alliance panel at Fanfest?

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