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Final Warning to Curatores Veritatis Alliance on their assault of The Peoples Providence Freeport

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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2012-01-27 15:51:51 UTC
Leeroy McJenkins wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
If I've learnt anything about dealing with the CVA over the years, it's that the best way to resolve an issue with them is to do it in private rather than making public threats.

But I suspect that Ms Randolph knew that already.


Publicly posting first allows you to point at a justification for the invasion later. I see nothing wrong with this.


Indeed, nothing wrong with it at all if PL's intention is conflict rather than conflict resolution.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#22 - 2012-01-27 16:19:12 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Leeroy McJenkins wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
If I've learnt anything about dealing with the CVA over the years, it's that the best way to resolve an issue with them is to do it in private rather than making public threats.

But I suspect that Ms Randolph knew that already.


Publicly posting first allows you to point at a justification for the invasion later. I see nothing wrong with this.


Indeed, nothing wrong with it at all if PL's intention is conflict rather than conflict resolution.


And it appears that -YF- welcomes that conflict with determination that the CVA-bloc will prevail. This won't end well.

Back during the first invasion of Providence, Against ALL Authorities were not known as an alliance with excessive capital/supercapital strength. PL were. AAA effortlessly crushed CVA (with the help of U'K). Now, it appears CVA is picking a fight with someone who is historically able to field even more firepower on the capital field. It just sounds like a bad decision.

Oh and of course, the irony of CVA fighting for "freedom" and access of everyone to Providence is amazing. CVA cut access to anyone they do not like, and charge anyone who can dock obnoxious fees to do so. None of their stations are freeports. PL's is.

What's next, attacking 9UY4-H? Another invasion of Catch? At what point does good sense and strategy become more important than overinflated egos and hungry fat wallets? Or... does it ever?

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Vlad Cetes
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#23 - 2012-01-27 17:12:08 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

What's next, attacking 9UY4-H? Another invasion of Catch? At what point does good sense and strategy become more important than overinflated egos and hungry fat wallets? Or... does it ever?


It never does, and that is why CVA will continue to remain a nobody. They inhabit Providence solely because it is such a wasteland that no other entity wants it.
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#24 - 2012-01-27 17:29:48 UTC
Two wealthy, corrupt and morally bankrupt organizations fighting over lawless space far from civilization... Ugh

This is of any concern to the rest of us, why?
Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
Iron Men of the Hood
#25 - 2012-01-28 09:38:44 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Leeroy McJenkins wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
If I've learnt anything about dealing with the CVA over the years, it's that the best way to resolve an issue with them is to do it in private rather than making public threats.

But I suspect that Ms Randolph knew that already.


Publicly posting first allows you to point at a justification for the invasion later. I see nothing wrong with this.


Indeed, nothing wrong with it at all if PL's intention is conflict rather than conflict resolution.


Is there anything wrong with engaging in conflict with a slaveholding, Amarrian Empire supporting entity such as CVA?
Vetr Saken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-01-28 10:38:45 UTC
Kazzzi wrote:
Is there anything wrong with engaging in conflict with a slaveholding, Amarrian Empire supporting entity such as CVA?
For what it's worth coming from a non-involved third party who has little knowledge of the political and military background here, I'd answer this question in general by saying 'no'. There's nothing wrong with engaging in conflict with a slaveholding entity if your intention is to liberate those slave - though a diplomatic solution should still be preferred.

But, again from an outsider's point of view, if you start with one rationale for war, and -- that justification having been questioned -- fall back to slave liberation as a reserve justification, then I would say you undermine the credibility of both cases for war. In that case it would start to look more as though you're itching for a fight on whatever grounds you think you can make stick.

If you want otherwise neutral observers to accept your position then you've got to make it consistent.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#27 - 2012-01-28 17:04:58 UTC
To be fair, CVA lost so horribly last time, because of a rather idiotic strategy of falling back without fighting so that they would "bore" them into submission, So any of their attempts to fight, were really too little and too late, but the fact that they came back at all shows some spine.

Only a fool underestimates an opponent, especially one who is motivated by religious fervor to retake their space, no matter how worthless it is.

That being said, I welcome this development, because the more time capsuleers spent shooting each other, the less time they spend shooting noncapsuleer ships from the Nation.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#28 - 2012-01-28 18:03:29 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
[...] but the fact that they came back at all shows some spine.


Cockroaches do that, and they have no spine. I do not believe CVA is any different.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

DeadDuck
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#29 - 2012-01-28 19:17:21 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
ValentinaDLM wrote:
[...] but the fact that they came back at all shows some spine.


Cockroaches do that, and they have no spine. I do not believe CVA is any different.


It's a well known fact that after a nuclear holocaust and nuclear winter, cockroaches will be one of the few still living. Cool
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#30 - 2012-01-28 19:23:06 UTC
DeadDuck wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
ValentinaDLM wrote:
[...] but the fact that they came back at all shows some spine.


Cockroaches do that, and they have no spine. I do not believe CVA is any different.


It's a well known fact that after a nuclear holocaust and nuclear winter, cockroaches will be one of the few still living. Cool


Except the ones that tend to get crushed under the heel of someone's boot.

Pandemic Legion stomps about in very big boots.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Lady Starfire
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-01-28 20:01:48 UTC
DOWN WITH THE DIRTY TWO ARMED APE CREATURES THE ONE ARMED SHALL RISE ABOVE AND STOP THE AMMAR SLAVE STATE!
Lady Starfire
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-01-28 20:03:29 UTC
DeadDuck wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
ValentinaDLM wrote:
[...] but the fact that they came back at all shows some spine.


Cockroaches do that, and they have no spine. I do not believe CVA is any different.


It's a well known fact that after a nuclear holocaust and nuclear winter, cockroaches will be one of the few still living. Cool

LADY STARFIRE IS NOT A COCKROACH AND HAS SURVIVED A NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST! WHY DO YOU TWO ARMS KEEP TRYING TO KEEP THE ONE ARM LIBERATION FRONT DOWN! WE ARE NOT COCKROACHES!!
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#33 - 2012-01-28 22:45:43 UTC
Despite warnings through official and public channels, this afternoon saw CVA and their allies attack and conquer the freeport 9-F0B2 II - CVA more like CVGAY YOUBEENHAZED. In the event your leadership has not conveyed to you the repercussion I laid out over the freeport, here is verbatim what was sent to CVA high command: as soon as Pandemic Legion is off contract you can expect the following stations to be taken from you for a period no shorter than 4 weeks, and docking at these stations will be closed.

G-5EN2, 9-F0B2, YWSO-Z, XHQ-7V, KBP7-G, B-WPLZ, R3-K7K, N8XA-L, QBL-BV, PI5-39, X-R3NM, D-GTMI, T-RPFU

As we are still on contract for some weeks, you and your ilk will have ample time to enjoy the fruits of your oppressive actions. This is the last announcement with respect to our intentions that you will receive.

Should you, however, continue the tradition of 9-F being a freeport to all, not just open to dock for the arbitrary CVA non-reds, then we will have no need to seek vengeance.

~

Vladimir Helios
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#34 - 2012-01-28 22:53:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Vladimir Helios
Elise Randolph wrote:
Despite warnings through official and public channels, this afternoon saw CVA and their allies attack and conquer the freeport 9-F0B2 II - CVA more like CVGAY YOUBEENHAZED. In the event your leadership has not conveyed to you the repercussion I laid out over the freeport, here is verbatim what was sent to CVA high command: as soon as Pandemic Legion is off contract you can expect the following stations to be taken from you for a period no shorter than 4 weeks, and docking at these stations will be closed.

G-5EN2, 9-F0B2, YWSO-Z, XHQ-7V, KBP7-G, B-WPLZ, R3-K7K, N8XA-L, QBL-BV, PI5-39, X-R3NM, D-GTMI, T-RPFU

As we are still on contract for some weeks, you and your ilk will have ample time to enjoy the fruits of your oppressive actions. This is the last announcement with respect to our intentions that you will receive.

Should you, however, continue the tradition of 9-F being a freeport to all, not just open to dock for the arbitrary CVA non-reds, then we will have no need to seek vengeance.


I also consider this ample retribution for your actions, CVA, against our peaceful space-settlement known as 9UY4-H.
Jho Ko
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-01-28 23:34:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jho Ko
Elise Randolph wrote:
Should you, however, continue the tradition of 9-F being a freeport to all, not just open to dock for the arbitrary CVA non-reds, then we will have no need to seek vengeance.


I really do hope that the Slavers and their minions decide to throw this olive branch back in your face.

... If only to see them crushed under the excessively large boots of Pandemic Legion.
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#36 - 2012-01-29 02:28:38 UTC
I did not red even first line of your message, but let me say this, space wench. CVA Does not attack to the people of Providence without my broadcasting. We are not best friends with CVA, but there is line where Imperial Pharmacy allows this rubbish to go. I happily use every opportorinty against CVA, but this kind of slander is out of option.

So long as CVA has reigned the Providence, our home, there has been not red dont shoot policy, which has been enforced with piety and some times with pure strenght. You have no claims to use against CVA to violate their policy, nor thier allies.

I Lord Vaari, earl of Sosan VII, founder and despot of the Imperial Pharmacy, golden mountain, self proclaimed prophet, carrier of the Heaven's ligth, speaker of unquestioned truth, hero of the Providence, vanquished of the BoB alliance and many more impressive titles will promise this;

If you, work against my loyal friends, I will work against you.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Nola Doyle
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-01-29 06:06:57 UTC
Two factions with a history of violence and a striking disregard for humanity, engaged in a struggle for dominance. This is just another chapter in the region's history since its mapping by stellar cartographers, and like most of the outer territories filled with similar tales of bloody conflict. Nevertheless, I'm sure the local manufacturers will enjoy the boost in sales as a result of your dispute.

Regards,
Nola J. Doyle
Rorin Cutter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#38 - 2012-01-30 19:48:37 UTC
Hail friends, neighbors.

It has always been a dream of most of us who live in the providence area, that someday we would be able to turn the space over to the Empire. A bustling and beatified area in space filled with people who rejoice in the favor of God and the Empire. I mean what other reason could there be for holding an area of space? Never forget that :
the Lord sent forth the Chosen, to bring forth the light of faith And those
who embrace his love Shall be saved by his grace.
For we are his shepherds in the darkness, His Angels of Mercy! But those who turn away from his light, And reject his true word Shall be struck down by his wrath. For we are his retribution
incarnate, His Angels of Vengeance —Book of Reclaiming 4:45.


What does this mean to you? This means we want to be friends with everyone, and to prove that point we live by the NRDS rules of engagement. This means that in reality, providence is a giant Freeport for everyone, who does not go about shooting wantonly and indiscriminately neutrals and holders/friends..

On the other hand, let’s talk a bit about who the “Enemy” really is. Is PL our enemy? No, not really.
Our enemies are those that seek to bring chaos and darkness to the universe and the Empire where we seek to bring light and enlightenment. Do they stomp with a big boot? Yup, but when the dust subsides we will still be here., bringing light to those without hope, and without a shining lamp to show them the way.

And you know what? This is why we have won over so many for God and the Empire. The Holders will always be here. Why, you ask? Because in the beginning when all things were one, God parted them and breathed life into his creation. He then divided the parts and gave each his place. And unto each, bestowed purpose.
(Book I I:4)


Our purpose as reclaimers is to reclaim providence for God and Empire. NRDS is one of the ways that will help us reach our goals, it’s really that simple.

-Rorin Cutter
Dame Death
Black Aces
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2012-02-01 14:34:22 UTC
*Eliza shakes her head*
Hell even I learn from my mistakes why the **** cant CVA?
Condor Amarr
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#40 - 2012-02-01 15:12:42 UTC
Dame Death wrote:
*Eliza shakes her head*
Hell even I learn from my mistakes why the **** cant CVA?



Exactly what mistake is CVA making here? Whilst they are certainly making a stand-point against a bigger organisation, I don't really see the mistake.

For years, CVA have laid claim to Providence, on behalf of the Empire. My (limited) understanding with regards to CVA's war with -A- some time ago, was that CVA invaded the Catch region, perhaps biting off more than they could chew and upsetting a neighbour that was happy to leave CVA alone. Given that the system CVA are now taking control of is in Providence, I fail to see what the problem is.

I certainly hope this is resolved between CVA and PL.
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