EVE General Discussion

Integration with Other Activities

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Finally, some integration with other activities could be nice.

It would be nice if it was worthwhile to salvage (not just loot), the wrecks. I have to admit that I have not actually tried bringing a salvager in recently, but my recollection from SiSi was that the wrecks were totally useless to salvage. I have not tried bringing a salvager because we routinely left a few stuff remaining rats once we achieved our objective, and I did not want to risk a ship to clear them before bringing a Noctis in. If we could have hangers-on (eg newbies) routinely tossing the incursion runners a million or so to clear the last rats and give them a bookmark so they could come in and salvage or mine Lyavite that would generate more integration. (Though maybe the damage is damped down enough that the newbies could also be hired on to clear the last of the pockets for the salvagers and miners.)

I already have lots of T2 and Meta4 in my ship, and have lost some, so I am hopefully making the miners, manufacturers and mission runners happy. I also could not make some of my fits work without faction gear so I am making FW people happy (though it sounds like there are allegations they are becoming too happy and able to charge "excessively high" prices.)
In addition, since it is such a pain transporting both the shield and armor ship, I could be hiring freighters to move all my crap. (I have to admit, I assumed the cost would be prohibitive, but I just checked the prices, and it turns out it would be totally affordable given the expected income.) I am sure there are other niche industries that could grow up around incursions that I have not even thought of.

I would just like to conclude with a commentary to the people demanding a shutdown of all economic activity in an area: There are people in high sec because they are the "normal citizens" of the real world. They are there because they like stability, and want to just live their predictable lives fulfilling the needs of other economic factors for a nominal reward. In the "real world" they can cry to their government and demand higher taxes for more policing when the boogie man comes calling. It is all very well to say "the miners will cry and be motivated to Do Something About It" when their nice quiet lives are disrupted, but in practice I can not yet mine the Sansha hulls when they target a Retriever, and they can not fly a combat ship, because they did not specialize for that. In addition, I can not issue a contract for a combat ship pilot to sit around being bored waiting for Sansha rats to arrive in the belts, or to fly convoy with me when transporting goods to market. (I could probably ask around to find out how to issue a mercenary contract to do such a thing, but the margins are too small to make that economically feasible, and seriously what merc is going to take contract when there is a proxy wardec contract to take?) The incentive has to be provided by game mechanics instead. The will not Do Something About It, they will just pick up and move and complain to the CSM asking to get rid of Incursions.

Warning. The system you are about to jump into has an Incursion by hostile Sansha forces.
Enter at your own discretion.


Yes/No.

If Incursion farmability was removed, they would become roleplaying content, similar to Cosmos. IMO the payouts are just fine when taking account that its group activity.

Heres my thoughts:

1. Roll back original OTA
- Making OTA easier was unnecessary, and rolling it back to hardmode would bring back the balance between VG sites

2. Buff the high grade Concord implants, from +6% to +8%
- The +1% they provide over regular +5% isnt really worth the pricetag

3. Stop Nullsec Incursions
- If only way getting Revenants was through lowsec Incursions, that would really spice things up i think.

4. NCN needs bit rework


Last brainfart before i go to sleep: Maybe add Concord Warp Disruption bubbles and/or Concord POS modules to the LP-store?

I remember someone if not ALOT of people not only in Empire but also in 0.0 space ask for more content and a vqriety of things to do. Well you got it with Wormhole space and the sleepers within them and then comes along Faction warfare and the new upgrades to both and not everyone was satisfied and many cried for more content as many people seem to be looking about and poking behind the story lines that have been put out there. Sleeping dragons like Sansha got poked and well it got introduced as a new story for the Eve universe.

So many stared at it in AWWW!!!

It was until several weeks later that 0.0 realized that the empire kids were making more isk them then and went on a holly tirade cause they got their panties in a wad.

Taking a look back there has always been someone crying about little Johny or Suzy getting a shinier toy then you. but we can be productive and contribute suggestions in how to balance things and threatening to quit eve is not going to solve a thing other then ego being busted with a pin.

This is a sandbox and WE ALL come here to play and have fun cause kicking sand in mittens face is AWSOME or shoving Darius III face in the pooh that ~A~ left behind while the GOONS steal little Suzy's sucker.

Yes the Incursions need to be rebalanced AND the mighty 0.0 alliance need to rethink their strategy if they ever come up with some on how to handle the incursions in their territory. maybe higher some empire incursion runners to come out and deal with it. Yeah i know it interrupts your PVP or tally whackin time but i know you find time for it later and to think Incursions out in 0.0 are worth more. Maybe your guys need to take time to read and figure out a stragey...oh hold that would require rmoving head from butt.

lol

Good Luck

Get CONCORD involved. Seriously. The one thing that confused the bejeezles out of newer players is why CONCORD acts like sansha are its greatest pals. Maybe make incursion systems have no CONCORD (the sansha got 'em) or have the occasional CONCORD vessel attack the sansha and die spectacularly (leaving no loot). Whatever, or at least just explain in neon lights why CONCORD has ****ed off.

I have no idea how incursions work in player null, but if they could take systems if they "won" that would be uber ;)

I then go and get my scout. As I wrote I have no problem with that. I actually like profits!

I've been ACTIVELY trying to form Assault fleets over the past 3 weeks and of course we always see the same thing in those systems: THE STACKING OF NCN's... 2 reasons why: they always force ship refitting which can kill fleets and they take 2-3 times longer then the NCS & OCF. A buff to these sites' payout over the ISK/hour of Vanguards would help cohesion of fleets a bit but the NCN's still almost need 1 room to disappear due to how long they take to take down. NCN's are the old pre-blitz OTA's of Vanguards

ITT: People who understand neither nullsec mechanics or how the in-game economy works.

PS: Incursions in nullsec will never get farmed much because of the cynojam effect, which shuts down out jump bridges, and prevents capships from jumping. The problem isn't the payouts(tho VGs apparently do pay out too much compared to the rest of the incursion) its the lack of risk(and risk of an error isn't real risk) and farmability, which are tied together. You can farm them, and as long as you don't screw up significantly, you are fine.

I just wanted to say that this is a very delicate subject and I would advise and urge CCP strongly to make changes with caution and careful thought.

If you change incursions, what will your changes affect in your player base numbers? How will it affect null sec versus high sec and what about low sec in between? What will this relate to wormhole space?

I would have to say those questions are the biggest entirely.

You do realize if your nerf incursions too much you're going to have the makings of a riot on your hands. You nerfed null sec to where it isn't profitable, only to the power block alliances because of moons. Anomalies are pretty much crap unless you are fortunate to get something in the ballpark of a -0.7 to a -1.0. And even then it isn't that much to cheer for considering how the economy in null sec is. Over priced, few and far between, jump freighter fees, etc., etc.. Even people from null sec jump clone up to high sec and run incursions all the time so they can make their isk now.

I think possibly things are good how they are in high sec. Beef low sec up a little bit on the incursion front, and redouble your efforts to beef it up in nullsec. Nullsec should be where incursions are the absolute craziest. No concord, lawless space, so why shouldn't incursions be insane, and in relation the payouts higher in the more lawless areas.

Either way. Don't **** this up and continue on with business as usual then find something else to screw up --- Or do, I don't mind mocking daily failure.