EVE General Discussion

So the act of being able to kill a soft target with no way of fighting back, where death is the final outcome of your logic to prove effort which therefore precludes the outcome, suggests an argument?

By the very measurement of game assests which is combined to the mineral scale for measureing and comapring things it doesnt make sense.

The activity of mining and industrial work is perceived to be labourious and time consuming to acheive anything, yet you can get a plex in an afternoon? Get real.

Also show me the stats for the ones who got away? Where are they recorded, whats supporting those claims?

Not interested Tippia, bait your hook on someone else.

Which part of "it's not difficult to not get ganked or can flipped" don't you get? I'm not saying mining is worthless, I'm saying that lazy miners get ganked or can flipped. Just as lazy people who run mission in their Tengus get suicided and lazy people in low sec, 0.0 or WH lose their ships and assets. It's the other way round more like; lazy people get taken advantage from and lazy people will choose something easy and boring to do.... mining.

Miners who DO put in some effort to protect themselves do quite well and actually, these miner gankings ensure that people who put in effort get rewarded as their afk/idiot/botting competition gets taken care of. Just as in any other part of this game.

yawn

You quite missed his point: the reason the targets got killed was because they put in less effort than the gankers (because there are, indeed, plenty of ways for them to fight back).

Ok, fine. I accept your surrender. vOv

That just shows that either PLEXes are overpriced, or that some other activities are vastly overpaid. And again, the reason mining is underpaid has very little to do with ganks or can flips, and a whole lot more to do with it being rendered largely irrelevant in the current economy.

In fact, if anything the opposite causal chain is in effect: mining is not a low-reward job because of ganks and theft; rather, mining is a target for ganks and theft because it's low-paying.

You mean the rule that is already in effect?

Here's simplified list of what we got so far as i see it:

Carebears = creative, self-respected and active people (miners, inventors, researchers, builders). They dont need to prove anything to anyone and they play the game for the creative side of it. And of course hated.

PvPers = also creative and self-respected active people who also happen to have industrial alts or mains to fund their war efforts. They pvp for fun or for defense or for both in addition to attacking for SOV.

Pirates = same as pvpers with decent ships and scanning abilities sitting on gates for lucrative targets of opportunity.

Canflippers = teenagers or adults who never grew up. None or low self-esteem and constant need to prove anything to anyone that they more then just no one.

Gankers = same as canflippers.

Newbie systems gankers = dicks. Just without them.

A bit simplified classification, but that's what it is in my opinion.

What will have changed is that you effectively get a greater reward for ganking another miner.

eg: let's say that mining produces 45% of the total supply of $Mineral. If you gank a fellow $Mineral miner, you're only effecting 45% of the supply of $Mineral.

Now suppose drone alloys are nerfed and now mining produces 90% of the total supply of $Mineral. Each miner you gank now reduces the supply by twice as much. You get twice as much benefit (ie: it raises demand for your output of $Mineral by twice as much) for ganking, so the incentive to gank is greatly increased. Simple game-theory.

Miners getting ganked is a bad thing for the individual miners that lose their mining ship, but it's a good thing for every miner that doesn't get ganked. That's why it's good that ganking happens; alert, careful miners with a good knowledge of game mechanics get a comparitive advantage over lazy, ignorant miners. Even if the good miners get ganked sometimes, it doesn't matter; it only matters that they get ganked significantly less, so that competitive advantage occurs. Without ganking, they'd be on exactly a level par with the lazy ignorant miners.

Simple model for idiots who dont understand redistirbution.



Old way: Price of Trit fixed at 10 isk

Miners produce 10 units, Reprocessing produces 1000 units.

Value miners = 100 isk, Value reprocessing = 10,000 isk



New way: Price of Trit still fixed at 10 isk.

Miners produce 15 units, Reprocessing produces 995 units.

Value miners = 150 isk, Value Reprocessing = 9950 isk

Net change = 150% to miners, 99.5% to reproeccesors.


Even this change though not neccesarily the wanted values I want for a mining increase (before anyone gets stupid troll)

shows that a small change towards miners can have a significant change to them in value, whilst not effecting reprocessing significantly.

Prices remain the same, same amount of Trit.

Class dismissed.

Fixed. Also, you forgot one step:

News of increased mining wealth doubles the miner population.
Net change: -25% value per miner.